EVE General Discussion

Lucky you, but that's not the only reason people need to deal with GM's, obviously.

Wait, isn't that the opposite of the Goon's moto?

I once filed a petition asking if people pulling GM mails from my API constitutes sharing of GM correspondence.

Since I had to ask a GM for a rule clarification was my brain not working?

Yeah, your brain doesn't work according to guy who has spent 10 years shooting at red crosses.

We spelled a few things out for you, but apparently that wasn't enough. I dare not speculate as to how that bodes for your own cognitive state.

Ever been stuck in a mission, needed reimbursement from a server issue on CCPs end. Ever needed a rules clarification, wanted to petition an exploit or maybe even noticed a bug in the client?

There are a lot of reasons to interact with GMs that dont require you to be a ****. It would be a pretty boring existence for the GMs if they only dealt with banning players. For each petition against a player, there's also the player thst raised the petition. So its virtually impossible for more than 50% of the people dealing with GMs to be because they are under investigation. The flip side of that is also pretty clear.

I have dealt with GMs quite a bit, at times even on a daily basis. Sometimes to report a problem, sometimes to explain an issue which ended in nothing bad happening to me or my account. But never because I crossed a line any sane person would not cross.

I see that you're trying very hard, which is always hilarious. And the answer is no, they don't nor do they have to. If the rule is "don't be a **** or we'll kick you off the bus" and they see you being a **** just outside the bus they're perfectly within their right to say "stay out of my bus, I don't want your money".

Really not difficult to comprehend. But keep threadnaughting and e-lawyering because it's entertaining as hell.

Please try to avoid ad hominem, anecdotal evidence and slippery slope fallacies when presenting your case, it doesn't help those with counter points take your opinion seriously on the matter, despite how valid it may or may not be.

I wish to make my bias clear, I am all for banning those who harass players. It's abhorrent behaviour, this is quite clearly evidenced by it being enshrined into law in many countries. I am not for banning in game usage of mechanics. I am in personal favor of scamming, awoxing and so forth. I am however, not in favor of people using those mechanics to harass players, for no in game profit.

Local chat spam and so forth, is not harassment. Unless it's directed at you, over a period of time. There's another word for one offs, and heat of the moment exchanges: insults. That's a different matter than this topic, and no one is arguing for or against this (well they shouldn't, that's off topic). Specially, as this is usually a back and forth with no prior intent to do so.

Harassing some one over teamspeak, or any other out of game tool, when they hold in game assets as leverage, or their relationship is of origin from the game, is of CCPs concern. Singing a song, is not harassment, if it's stopped there. Mocking someone because of a speech impediment, is.

If you can't tell the difference, the issue is personal incredulity, and not of CCPs concern. It's not a valid excuse anywhere, that you didn't know better -- although, I suppose if you show remorse once those actions are made clear, then the punishment should be lowered accordingly.

I guess that's why Mittens wasn't permanently banned, because he didn't argue about what he did, and took full responsibility for his actions. This is of course, purely speculative. CCP has since its incarnation not indulged into how they conduct the punishment for people in breaches of the policy, for good reason.

I do find it funny that this long standing policy is only bought into question now, and not prior. Not to say there's anything wrong with the discussion, but it does cast a hefty shadow over the intent of the discussion.

And in this you are absolutely correct. It has nothing to do with trusting those claiming they've done nothing wrong. It has to do with using and exploiting this thread to push personal agendas.

Only CCP and those that got banned really know why they got banned. And my isk is in that there is more to this story than the ban "victims" area leading us to believe. But like you said, it doesn't matter.

No time for that. We have agendas to push. Carry on.