Science & Industry

Compressed ore prices will always average at higher prices than their mineral components. There might be a point where a certain mineral spike causes one type of compressed ore to be slightly worse, but the market will adjust quickly in that instance.

The reason that compressed ore will always be more valuable is because it is the only way to move minerals efficiently, and once the compressed ore is refined, it can never be converted back into a compressed form. Additionally, nullsec gets a bonus on the ore output, so nullsec values compressed ore much higher than individual minerals, meaning we will pay more for it (and we already are paying more for it).

However, paying 50-100% margins on compressed ore simply won't happen except for emergencies. Unlike many highsec miners, we actually pay attention to the math and make decisions based on profitability. We are fine paying a margin (like the current 15-25% margins), but higher than that and we'd either slow/stop production or move our investments elsewhere.

This change absolutely would help us. It would also help anyone doing significant production outside of major trade hubs. It would also allow us to pay highsec miners MORE ISK for the same work that they're doing. We are already a patch ahead of Crius, and the compressed market is still not where it should be.

If one ignores the condescending remark, sounds like the opening to negotiations.

A good way to balance the orca compression is the amount of ore it can compress in a period of time. It should not work like the rorq or compression array do now but more like the old rorqual. Sitting in the belt deployed giving boosts and using it tractors to haul in cans for compression. Give it 2 more highslots(1 for core and 1 for tractor) + 3 for the links.

Umm .. refining takes massing amounts of skill points and specialization per ore type, raising standings for a station or running your own POS in highsec, (which completely sucks btw), and expensive implants.

You want to replace all that with a no brain, no skill, no effort Orca or mobile compression array just to supply nullsec with cheap compressed ore. What are you smoking?

If this happens CCP needs to add specialized skills for compressing different type of ores, compression implants, and if NPC station compression is added then standing for compression efficiency.

Otherwise offer every refiner a SP and impant refund when they give this amazing gift to nullsec cartels in the clear effort to completely kill off highsec industry.

I have a better idea, if you want localized industry in nullsec then go scrap over your regular belts just like highsec miners have too, compress your own ore, and haul it to wherever you're producing.

Here is an example. I use Kernite because it is a large source of Mexallon, which is in high demand, and Kernite is by far the most profitable ore to mine and compress right now in high sec.

As of right now, there are less than 6000 units of compressed kernite available on public markets across all of high sec. There are already huge buy orders of 31k per unit (that's 310 isk per unit of kernite) up in Jita.

There are less than 800k units of actual Kernite in Jita, most of which are extremely overpriced at 433 per unit. There are millions of units of kernite across tens/hundreds of different random systems in highsec. After 6 weeks, the market is still vastly under stocked on compressed ores (especially Kernite).

When we purchase compressed ores, we're interested in the mineral components we can get out of them. When you argue that we need to "pay more" for compressed ore, that simply won't happen- it becomes cheaper for us to simply buy the minerals in their uncompressed form and ship them that way. The minerals we buy directly are at a discount from the ore and compressed ore price, but we have the added cost of isotopes for additional jumps back and forth to nullsec. So, when there is no compressed ore, we just buy the refined minerals at a discount, and the extra ISK goes to those mining ice (which is usually us, since we control most of caldari ice).

Yes, our proposal would make the end product (minerals in dek) cheaper for us, but it would also put more money directly into the pockets of high sec industrialists.

This is more information for CCP and people that are going actually contribute to the thread, as the grrgoon people don't actually think before typing.

here is a screenshot from 2 minutes ago from "The Forge" region Kernite for sale in "The Forge" that clearly shows MILLIONS of units for sale. Is it in Jita....NO

You keep mentioning freighter. It took 83 freighters of minerals for a titan, now it takes roughly 120 freighters of ore, both ended up between 7-8 JF full of somethign compressed. You are only talking a 50% increase in freighter use and even less if you have high ends in nullsec, all you have to import is low ends, that cuts out almost 18 of the 120 freighters, so really only 20-25 more hauling.


Think of it as "Death to all SC" cause maybe one less person will do it, therefore one less will be built

This is our exact point- why are miners selling ore when they could be compressing that same exact ore for 16% more profit?





Thank you for the screen shot, I literally just said there were millions of units across high sec.

I mentioned this before as well- we are not just trying to build one titan here. Titan producers are going to produce whether or not the ore costs more because titans already have a huge margin (just ask X ATM). The extra freighter loads of minerals applied across an entire market makes the cost too high to even implement a full fledged null market. This is the issue.

This is a cute argument and all, but there is no Kernite in Amarr, Rens, or Hek at all. Please insert new argument and catchphrases, and try again.

Right, after having spend a considerable ammount of time moderating this thread by removing the most rule breaking posts, I have come to the conclusion that the involved effort to continue doing so till the thread deserved the label 'clean thread', would be futile.
The main reason being that I have had to remove (and still would have to remove) as much rule breaking posts made by the OP of this thread as of all other posters combined.

Pro-tip: Breaking the forum rules as OP does not in the least help in getting a healthy discussion going.
On the contrary, it gets your thread locked.