Science & Industry

You should be fine, last I heard they were heading with MiniLuv to some systems where this PL guy has 12 frieghters and a titan moving raw ore.



Related to compression- actually making compression easier for the layman makes it safer for them to get their compressed ore to the market via blockade runners! Praise be the benevolent Goons for suggesting that we make it harder to gank ore shipments!

Edit: specifically, this one-


Industrial Core orca would not remove the use for compression towers- miners could decide if they wanted to park their orca at the belt to compress the ore (more risk and less cost) or simply haul ore to a POS to compress it there (less risk and more cost).

This is a serious question:

How is our proposal to make compression more accessible an "attack" on High Sec game play? So far, the only rebuttals that have been presented are "nullsec has more low end ore" and "it is fine as is because I'm making a xx% profit margin".

Because you are back to promoting solo game play, by removing one of the largest incentives I've seen for people in highsec to work together to mitigate the cost of a tower between an entire corp for compression.
We need more factors which benefit a group working together, not less. So needing a POS to compress and a POS being hard for a solo pilot to operate are actually GOOD things, not bad things.

The Orca is accessible in 17 days. This does not encourage corps.
Simply because you want to belittle an argument that runs counter to the goons does not make it invalid. Nor do you get to dismiss the requirements of a corp working together to keep a POS running.

Your entire argument is based on 'Goons need more compressed ore'.
So yes, we've made plenty of arguments why this is a bad idea, and the only argument you have made to it being a good idea is 'Goons get more compressed ore'

Now that change I can get behind.

Personally I'd go one step further and just roll it right in at the base level. So mining the +5% ore gives you 5% more yield than normal as it's easier to extract fast. Rather than a different variant that is richer. As that system allows for more subtle tweaks later without needing to create a new ore for the market. Since you can run the extra yield via variable on the object. And have that variable influenced by other factors as well.

Does come with the downside of ore holds filling faster also. But that might not be a bad thing overall since it does promote more team play in regards to haulers. If a little more micromanagement being a bad thing. 50/50?

if your hauling to a pos to compress instead of your miners dropping to the pos while mining your doing it wrong.
orca with compression would be great imo.

Nooo!!! I care! D:

Yes. A POS in a mining op is your staging point - your miners drop off in the hangar (or now, just dump in the compression array) as their holds fill up. Covetors/Hulks will probably have an Orca, so in this scenario the Orca would dump at the POS as the hold fills up.

Compression/refining should happen as soon as possible after gathering the ore as you then minimize the logistics hassle of hauling uncompressed ore around. This is what's behind my desire for a Mobile Compression Unit or something like it: I'd like to just be able to drop a MCU right in the belt where I'm mining and compress as I go. If I had an MCU, I wouldn't even need a POS any more.

I'll say it again: give me a Mobile Compression Unit that I can drop in a belt and compress as I mine. Problem solved.

I am not anti-Goons. I am not anti-null sec. I like building things and would happily sell to everyone, as long as I can make a profit. All sides of the null-sec arms race are feeling the same pinch. Right now, a number of people in null-sec are angry because they were forced to choose between paying more than they wanted to for compressed ore, hiring people to compress ore for them, buying raw minerals and doing extra hauling, or letting their schedules slip.

There may or may not currently be a shortage of compressed ore on the market. There is definately a shortage of omber on the market, but that is because it has not been worth miners' time to target those asteroids for years. That is not a compression issue.

The profits currently being made by the middlemen compressors may or may not currently be too high. (I do think they are too high.) The market will sort things out. More competition will bring profits down. Nobody keeps this level of profit long, when the barriers to entry (SP and sunk-costs) are so low.


High sec ore compression is an interesting thing recently added to the game.

Previously, every miner was forced to run missions until they had 6.7 standings with some corporation. Then they flew all their ore to a station and pushed a button to refine it. Then they shipped it to a market. This was the only option.

Today there are three options. 1) They can still do the above. 2) They can sell the raw ore to middlemen where they found it. Buy orders are higher than mineral value! Or 3) they can put up a POS and compress it. Some people are still doing the first out of habit. Putting a big red warning on the refining interface will educate them. Many other miners are already choosing options two and three. If miners see they can make more isk, they will act in their own best interest, and you will get more compressed ore reaching market.

If compression is made ubiquitous, by allowing it in belts or in a station, instantaneously, and with standings and skill point requirements similar to or less than refining (currently both requirements are 0), then the refine button will simply have been replaced by the compress button.

The interesting thing will have been taken out of the game.

Every miner will compress all their ore. Because it took no effort, compression will have no value. Compressed ore will sell at exactly the mineral price. And then why did the miner have to push the button at all? Why did it not come out of the asteroid pre-compressed?

Honestly, I think that is the entire point of the OP. You deny it, but I know you are smart enough to realize that if compression is made ubiquitous, you will not need to pay people to do it. You will get your minerals even cheaper than when you had to go through the hassle of building 425mm railguns.


In conclusion, I am strongly pro intersting things. I do not think, "My costs and effort are higher than I anticipated," or, "My schedule slipped," are good enough reasons to take an interesting thing back out of the game.