Wormholes

awesome, less supply means t3 prices will rise, means more money for me. sweet

aye but this is still bad. People need to make isk and they are still in space so targets which provide content.

Has this ever been confirmed? I only read about this a s a theory or rumour. Did CCP ever verify that this is actually the case?

Yes, I too have noticed lots and lots of empty systems. C4s with no or one site in them. The normal is for any wormhole to have a minimum of 2-3 sites. You can roll your hole for 4 hours into 8 subsequent C4's and on the ninth find one with 40 sites.

There are some things I would like to just randomly point out in case CCP Greyscale needs to dunk CCP Fozzie headfirst into a bin and unbugger whatever maths has been screwed up here.

OK, so you spent 4 hours of very risky rage-rolling finding the holy grail C4 bear haven with 40 sites. it has 8 wormholes connecting to it, 4 of which are frigate sized. Most people do not run the sites in here because you cannot close the frigate holes down.

So you are up to 4 hours times 5 meatbods time (20 man-hours) to find one system which has decent amounts of PVE content, out of 9 wormholes.

We have two explanations.
The First
Eight of those wormholes either have very efficient carebears who smack down every sleeper site within hours of it coming up, and live from orcas and have no POSs in 4 of those holes (50% vacancy rate is implied, gg CCP). In the other 4 inhabited holes, they are equally puissant at instantly running sites, such that nothing remains.

The Second
Wormholes are not actually spawning.

There's a bad mechanism at work here, too. maybe this will change as people HTFU and adjust to having 4 frigate wormholes open in their system. Maybe people are just being rational, though, and not ratting when there are too many wormholes open. As said above, if CCP doesn't climb down fast from a bad change or tweak things in the RNG so that there's more reward to go with the increased risk, then people are going to either unsub or leave.

One of the above 5 meatbods hasn't run sites in two weeks due to the corp moving out of a Cataclysmic hole 9because they now suck thanks to Hyperion), and moving in to our new hole, which is still potentially hostile. It's also a C4 with two wormhole statics, and a frig hole per day, so it's more risky. We spent hours rolling to get PVE content in the C4 and found nothing we could do (using our rational brains). In a few weeks, my poverty stricken corpie's sub runs out, one two accounts, and he's gone from game because he cannot afford to pay $30/mo and won't pay $30/mo now everything is borked.

Lets put it this way. if CCP borked the sov upgrades which give infinite and endless respawns of Sanctums (a different issue in and of itself, would really enjoy that in w-space), we'd see the whole forums locked down by the ISD gestapo because of the QQ. Yet here we are, with plenty of anecdotal evidence something is awry in w-space spawning mechanics after someone put their poo-finger in the pie (no names) and it's glorious silence.

No Local is a feature of the wormholes, not the forums.

CCP/ISD need to sit down with a PR consultant and look at other massive PR failures recently (try Black Milk clothing, you dirty apes) and cast a weather eye over the recent immature behaviour on the forums. Yes, a lot of people QQ and say inane bullcrap and don't provide feedback. But responding by locking 40 threads shows you've lost the PR battle, and sends a very sure message to your customers: that you really don't appreciate their business at all.

Thanks CCP. Your product is faulty, you need to fix your product, not try to make your customers less a bunch of solipsistic whiny aspergers victims.

There is two ways to look at this, given information leaked by CCP Gheyscale.

There is either a mechanism by which a signature is caused to spawn within a given wormhole system.

This mechanism works either on a system whereby the result of that spawn chance is, to whit;
a) a static
b) a transient wormhole
c) a frigate wormhole (nelwy addedin Hyperion)
d) a relic site
e) a data site
f) an ore site
g) a combat site

The chance is either as a percentage of a whole number (ie; percentage chances must add up to 10%) or an abitrary number (percentages can add up to +/- 100%).

So. An event happens and the system makes a call (C) on a table (A) whereby the result (R) is determned either as a percentage of a chance. In other words, a chance out of 100, or a chance out of X where X is arbitrary.

1) Of a probability pool of 100%
a) Wormhole statics have remained the same percentage
b) transient wormholes have been increased a percentage
c) frigate wormholes have been added as a percentage
d) radars remained the same percentage
e) data site remained the same percentage
f) ore sites remained the same percentage
g) combat anomaly remained the same percentage

2) of a probability pool of X (where X is an arbitrary number)
a) Wormhole statics have remained the same percentage of X
b) transient wormholes have been increased a percentage of X (ie; X + A)
c) frigate wormholes have been added as a percentage (ie; + B)
d) radars remained the same
e) data site remained the same
f) ore sites remained the same
g) combat anoma remained the same

Thereore, depending on the probability chances of a frigate or transient wormhole (which have been increased in hyperion by Fozzie) versus the pool of chances (100 *or* X);

Any increase in frigate wormholes from zero naturally results in a decrease in the probabilities of spawning any other result (as a proportion of 100 or X)

Any increase in the chances of spawning a transient wormhole also reduces the probabilities of spawning any other result (as a proportion of Xor 100%)

Therefore, should we really be surprised that a ham-fisted attempt at creating more content in wormholes by rejiggering the spawn percentage chanes of an anomaly vs wormhole vs transient vs frig wormhole, blah blah blagh, will result in LESS ANOMALIES SPAWNING?

No.

OMG you guys have no idea how hard this was to type legibly after ten scotcch whiskeys. ZOMG. Srs problums.

From the sound of things lately mate the only things people are doing in space by and large is ship spinning and waiting.

I may stand corrected then. We'll probably never get a dev in here to confirm this, but it explains the lack of site spawns and it explains why HK wasn't able to spawn more sites in their home system by warping to sites in their own constellation.

However, I find it hard to believe that the probabilities of combat/data/relic/gas/ore site spawns weren't adjusted upward to compensate for the increased spawn probability of random wormholes and the addition of frigate wormholes to the spawn table. Or that the table itself isn't simply called more often to obtain the same pre-patch site spawn rate.

Right. Content.
We wanted to at least MINE some friggin ore yesterday. Five wormholes, but of all kinds which is amusingly fun. C1, C3, C5, 2 frig ones. And to that four miners. So we logged. People aint figuring out anything, its still the same, only what changed is that its nigh impossible to farm with six to twelve exits open in just your home and static WHs. SO the sites stay there.

I wonder whos in space to provide targets, I spent three hours ship spinning under POS and logged off :D guess thats CCPs main aim.
Honestly corbexx, do they not care at all ? THere is no incentive to play the game really so all there is to it is account expiration and throwing cash at smth else, maybe some cosmetic items at Dota 2. And judging by general response, ppl are happy that others are leaving even. Not bad.

Is that solid knowledge or more like conjecture?

If that is fact and the numbers were not adjusted to keep site spawns like before the changes, that would seem incredibly... odd. It's hard to imagine that something obvious like that could be an oversight.

From my own scanning, I can say that I see plenty of sites, but since most of the systems are inactive, they may just have been there a long time.

sad thing is I think you could be very right.

we've connected to a few big groups and they havent had the numbers to fight us, so we have literally farmed there sites.