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here's the combined combat logs of the two garmurs, which were the only things that did damage among my gang. (side note: the burner had 4x TP and 2x Cruor webs applied to it, along with scram, and was doing 26 m/s)

if you're bringing two ships I would say garmur and daredevil. I picked cruors for ranged webs, but with the garmur scram I think daredevil would be a better option.

picking between garmur and daredevil is a close call. it starts so far off you might not be guaranteed to catch it consistently with a daredevil. the burner will also [only] scram one ship at a time, and you really have to put an end to its kiting. the benefit of two ships is one can get in scram range even if/when the other one is tackled.

I'm not one to get stuck on the idea of soloing things, obviously.

bounty was 2 mil total. not seeing the value, or what people have to complain about. (is it too hard or too easy, pick one)

I hope they stay difficult. I will certainly lose ships to these missions, but I will equally be bringing along friends on them so it's win-win for us and CCP's aim to have people co-operate. Those who complain will be those who cannot and will not adapt and learn.

Again for those worried about losing standing trying to run these missions I would remind them that they *do not* have to decline more than one mission in 4 hours. Just move to the next lvl IV agent you have and try again. If you run them in a small group then you have x group members chances of getting a burner mission depending on the number of group members. Also lvl IV missions are not the only thing to do in EVE. Try something different, you might just like it :).

2 million in bounty? I expected something a bit more... eccentric. 3, 4, or 5 million, maybe. There are some mission rats with bounties worth 2.5 million, why should the Burner rats be any cheaper?


PS: apparently the bounties follow a dynamic averaging payout system and Sisi's stats are messed up. Cross your fingers for when they hit TQ.

It's like any gimmick boss fight, once you know the procedure, it's on farm.

I'm hoping that even when you have the procedure down (i'm not concerned by that, it's how video games work) any mistake will result in bye bye nice ship...

My initial thoughts on these missions is positive. That said, considering the strength of the enemies in these missions I wonder if maybe the rewards shouldn't be substantially higher than the LP and Isk offered by the agent for completing these missions. Is the risk really worth the ISK? Or is it meant to be for pilots who have a substantially developed skillset?

I would think that new players won't be running these missions as they are level IV and therefore require some kind of time investment in grinding standings I would think. Any trly new player in these missions must have bought the mission or be running it from a corpmate who should have pre-warned them of the nature of the missions! Also with these being level IV's I would *expect* new players to die as they won't have the skills (pilot or player) to take out the rats. A group of new players on the other hand could stand a better chance.

I understand the burner missions are for elite frigate pilots. For rest of us, risking a 100 million frigate for a reward of a few millions isk is way too expensive. I would like a lighter version of the burner missions that can be tackled by low cost T1 frigates.

Let's say making some level 3 burner missions that are restricted to T1 frigates and T1/meta modules. NPC dps, tank, speed, engagement range, radius, AI, loot could be tuned down to match the capacity of T1 frigates. Players can get their feet wet by running these lesser missions before challenging the more difficult elite version. Although NPC are weaker, players are actually facing similar level of challenge because their ships and modules are also less effective compared to their pirate/t2/navy counter-parts.

That will make these new types of frigate missions become viable options to most players who like to run missions. More choices bring more funs. I also believe a lighter version of burner mission will also serve as excellent introduction to pvp concepts that the current missions do not provide.

mmmmm

A new type of mission.
1 NPC, 1 Player..

One has to wonder if this type of "mission" was done to reduce server load ;).