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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-08-27 09:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Archetype 66
As for the Blood Raider Cruor, I'll try an alternative to the Daredevil/Worm/Wolf with a Jaguar appoach :

[Jaguar, Blood Raider Burner]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Optical Tracking Computer I

200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Small Anti-Thermic Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Edit : Screw that. The cap booster will not hold the 3 meds active.
Apocalypse Solar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-08-27 11:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Apocalypse Solar
I think they might have overbuffed the angel (Dramiel) burner.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#43 - 2014-08-27 11:41:11 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR.

I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness.


Burner racial DPS varies from ~230 to ~280 DPS, the problem is if you tank the AF like hell you won't break the tank of the Burner. You need between ~200 to ~280 racial DPS on your frig to break the Burner tank.


Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit.

2 Hardeners should reach 85%-95% resist across 2 damage types on the right AF. The wolfs against pure Thermal/EM is ridiculous.
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#44 - 2014-08-27 12:06:26 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
[quote=Jori McKie]
Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit.

Nnnah. Actual numbers on NPC tank are much lower. At least I had about 200 effective DPS against blood and about 120 against sansha. Both was enough. Actually kinda overkill for blood, just makes it faster. I think he would even die to 120 applied DPS, only you'd have to have a spare indy with booster charges.
Lugalzagezi666
#45 - 2014-08-27 12:10:16 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit.

2 Hardeners should reach 85%-95% resist across 2 damage types on the right AF. The wolfs against pure Thermal/EM is ridiculous.


Well I managed to kill blood raider guy with 370dps (oh) pimped wolf in 2m30s. Was fun little bit since 2 times I injected right before cruors neut cycle and got maybe 2-3 cycles of rep before capping out.Big smile

I havent got angel one since changes, but before them I could easily break him with 200dps vengeance.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#46 - 2014-08-27 12:17:11 UTC
Seems the the required DPS to kill these is much lower than expected. Anything > 180DPS (in optimal) seems to do ok from what people are saying.

I take it the long range fast kiters do less DPS/Tank similar to actual PVP fits?
Apocalypse Solar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-08-27 12:18:56 UTC
Lugalzagezi666 wrote:
[quote=Maeltstome]
I havent got angel one since changes, but before them I could easily break him with 200dps vengeance.


The Dramiel is a lot tougher now. His tank is pretty insane as is his DPS.

I had over 200 dps vengeance using suggested fits and couldnt break him before I died.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2014-08-27 12:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:

Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit.

Nnnah. Actual numbers on NPC tank are much lower. At least I had about 200 effective DPS against blood and about 120 against sansha. Both was enough. Actually kinda overkill for blood, just makes it faster. I think he would even die to 120 applied DPS, only you'd have to have a spare indy with booster charges.


It varies a lot.
The Burner Dramiel and Burner Daredevil both do a shitton of damage and the Dramiel tank is quite good. The Burner Succubus is the easiest one, weak tank and DPS. The tough nut is the Burner Cruor, high DPS at 3km big buffer tank with some reps. The Burner Worm has high alpha damage and an even better tank than the Burner Dramiel.

Yes you can take them down with under 200 racial DPS but it will take more time, wasted time not to add that with low DPS you run the risk of burning overheated mods, miss a cap inject or made another fatal error resulting in loosing your ship.
So 200 racial DPS is more or less the minimum to kill the Burner, but having close to 300 doesn't hurt.

Dramiel, high end DPS needed
Worm, high end DPS needed
Daredevil, doesn't hurt to have high end DPS
Cruor, high end DPS recommended otherwise you will waste time
Succubus, do whatever you like it will die ;)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-08-27 13:34:29 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Heh, that was quick. So long new content excitement, welcome back predictable minmaxing grind.



want excitement? Go PVP.. go hunt people and get money from their drops.

I find funnyt hat carebears complain missions are not exciting and have no risk or need of skill then they say.. noo no pvp, pvp has risk and you nee too much skill.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-08-27 14:33:47 UTC  |  Edited by: jackudza
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#51 - 2014-08-27 14:36:46 UTC
jackudza wrote:
Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well.
Some videos with fits if you are interested:

Blood Raider Anomic Site
Serpentis Anomic Site
Sansha Anomic Site
Angel Anomic Site

Perfect skills but no implants/boosters.


You can't get enough likes for doing this. +1000
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#52 - 2014-08-27 15:18:56 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
want excitement? Go PVP.. go hunt people and get money from their drops.

I find funnyt hat carebears complain missions are not exciting and have no risk or need of skill then they say.. noo no pvp, pvp has risk and you nee too much skill.


Said hisec gank monkey...

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Apocalypse Solar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-08-27 15:30:05 UTC
jackudza wrote:
Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well.
Some videos with fits if you are interested:

Blood Raider Anomic Site
Serpentis Anomic Site
Sansha Anomic Site
Angel Anomic Site

Perfect skills but no implants/boosters.


The Dramiel in the video seems to be doing very low damage ... I fought this earlier and was getting hit almost twice as hard with 90% explosive resists.

Did you record this before they buffed this encounter?
Lugalzagezi666
#54 - 2014-08-27 15:32:16 UTC
Apocalypse Solar wrote:
The Dramiel is a lot tougher now. His tank is pretty insane as is his DPS.
I had over 200 dps vengeance using suggested fits and couldnt break him before I died.


Just did angel mission and could easily break him with triple web vengeance with around 175 dps (although it took twice as long as before the changes). Tank barely moved (centii sar, a type explosive plating and t2 eamn) so I guess double bcs is easily possible.

I even had small electron blaster (33dps) in spare high, but forgot to keep range, so it didnt manage to land a single hit.Lol
Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-08-27 15:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Archetype 66
Apocalypse Solar wrote:
jackudza wrote:
Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well.
Some videos with fits if you are interested:

Blood Raider Anomic Site
Serpentis Anomic Site
Sansha Anomic Site
Angel Anomic Site

Perfect skills but no implants/boosters.


The Dramiel in the video seems to be doing very low damage ... I fought this earlier and was getting hit almost twice as hard with 90% explosive resists.

Did you record this before they buffed this encounter?


Impossible, it's my Vengeance fit wiht a bit of unecessary bling bling, and I posted it after that change Lol
Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-08-27 15:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Archetype 66
Double post :s
jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-08-27 15:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: jackudza
Apocalypse Solar wrote:

The Dramiel in the video seems to be doing very low damage ... I fought this earlier and was getting hit almost twice as hard with 90% explosive resists.

Did you record this before they buffed this encounter?


I recorded them after some patch yesterday. But there were two patches. I do not remember which exactly.
Apocalypse Solar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-08-27 15:49:23 UTC
Archetype 66 wrote:
Impossible, it's my Vengeance fit wiht a bit of unecessary bling bling, and I posted it after that change Lol


It's bizarre because I used that exact same Vengeance fit on the Dramiel Burner, and died even when overheating everything.

Only thing I swapped out were the Rigor II for their T1 variants. This ship can't really have 11 sig radius can it? Darn.

I just don't understand why I died, skills aren't an issue that's for sure.
Lugalzagezi666
#59 - 2014-08-27 16:01:11 UTC
So angel guy got buffed and then nerfed again or what happened?
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2014-08-27 16:09:21 UTC
Three options:
Either you guys are all mixing up stuff
or
CCP build in a random factor - intentionally and didn't tell us
or
CCP build in a random factor - and don't know about it

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar