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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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Lugalzagezi666
#21 - 2014-08-26 20:20:33 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:

Hawk works nicely on the Daredevil Burner, question is triple faction web or dual faction web+TP both setups should use rigor rigs. I'm not sure if the tank is enough with those setups, i used one med slot for a kinetic ampli and it was barely enough.

Thats weird, because in eft medium shield booster hawk shows same sustaned tank as enyo I used and it was enough. Maybe it is because hawk has much less ehp in shields than enyo in armor, so damage seems more spikey, but it should be enough unless you get unlucky streak of wrecking hits (well even then ehp in hull and armor should save you).

Afaik triple web + rigor should be better than double web and painter + rigor, but I will test it anyway.

As for cruor guy, I tried dual asb wolf and failed, had to warp out and got him barely into 75% armor (that was with around 290 dps at 4k and 0,6 ang/s tracking). Probably could do it with crystal clone, but not going to bother.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#22 - 2014-08-26 21:27:02 UTC
Heh, that was quick. So long new content excitement, welcome back predictable minmaxing grind.

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#23 - 2014-08-26 21:43:41 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Heh, that was quick. So long new content excitement, welcome back predictable minmaxing grind.


and the reward?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-08-26 21:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Archetype 66
1min25 with that (still no links, no faction, no implants). Overheat is your friend.

Sure you can improove it.

[Hawk, Serpentis Burner]
Ballistic Control System II
[empty low slot]

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium Shield Booster II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Infrared S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
Matek Sorak
MMS Corporation
#25 - 2014-08-26 22:13:19 UTC
Managed to do sansha with:

[Wolf, burner sansha]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Small Armor Repairer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile

Small Anti-Thermic Pump II
Small Projectile Ambit Extension II
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#26 - 2014-08-26 22:20:56 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Heh, that was quick. So long new content excitement, welcome back predictable minmaxing grind.


and the reward?


Are you asking me if reward for burner is appropriate to effort or are you agreeing with me that burners are lost chance to revitalize PVE right now?

1 minute of shooting single rat for some pennies and chance of faction drops? IMHO meh...
Novelty already gone, same stupid rats as always only on steroids. And apparently you can run 3/5 of them in daredevil. Meh, again...

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-08-27 00:29:16 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Heh, that was quick. So long new content excitement, welcome back predictable minmaxing grind.


Your problem was thinking that pve could ever be anything else. NPCs aren't people, people are the ones who provide unpredictability. These new missions are fun for people who like to experiment, tinker with new fits and new doctrines. I'm dual boxing them with my Dramiel and an alt in a 'sacrifice' brick tanked burst, and i'll try other things too. Like figuring out how to solo them in a tech1 frig with tech2 fittings.

Also, CCP neve rpromised anything else, when they anouonced them the warned us of the limitations they face, and told us that these missions would be about finding the right way to beat the burners, nothing more.

PS: you are an absolute ray of fracking sunshine lol.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#28 - 2014-08-27 00:30:16 UTC
Also about the rewards, they are missions, they will adjust over time.
Queotzcatl
RENEGADES YIY HEKATEK
#29 - 2014-08-27 00:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Queotzcatl
@Jory

Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer = Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer, same stats
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer, sligthly less rep but also less cap needed
All armor faction Hardeners have the same stats
Shadow Serpentis = True Sansha = Dark Blood XXX Hardener

Burner Dramiel
Time to kill: 45sec
DPS 393 Void+hot ~2:30min
Quote:
[Daredevil, Burner Dramiel]
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I



Hot the bloody hell is it going to work?? Didi you tried and live?? I tried iy and die!Evil

About this fit. Why anti kinetic pump?
I tried this fit, get into 50% Dramiel shield, by that time I was in hull, overheating, and didnt have a chance to activate once the cap injector, i was dead before. Do you use implants or what? Its not going to tank the Dram for real.

I survived with the gallente frig t1 version of the covert op, cant remember the name. Similar fit, but with a 200mm armor plate, a t2 small repper, two nano pumps rigs and an exp t1 rig, plus a t2 invukn armor plate or what's its name.
one web and j5 scram plus an ebergy cap mod.. WHY j5 scram? Because I could switch off the damn Dramiel MWD.
Overall DPS drone plus Blaster was ca. 200 DPS, But Drone get popped very quickly. I was able to warp off several time, and my tank resisted. I couldnt hit the damn thing. When i swapped the invuln plate for a dmg mod, I was dead.
I made a Dramiel fit following this line, overall DPS was down to 280, I went into 50% of the Dram shields, but I was dead.
The tank was the same as the Gallente T1 frig, here is the fit:

Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
200mm T2 armor plate
T2 armor invuln.

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5 scram
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Anti-Exposive Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

I lost the one Hawk also, with dual webber, medium ancilary, medium shield ext, duble tracking low slots. Could hit nothing.
Lost an ASM Harpy as well, ASM, similar fit, could tank for a while, but no way. This was before the T1 Vengeance, with the J5 scram, and the Drones. Apparently when the Dram switch aggro to the drones, it unscram you.

I would like too ear a story of someone who worket it out, not cheating. I mean SOLO!

I forgot to say that i am lv V in armor skills and gunnery.

But +1 CCP, its cool to have to experiment, bring a little joy 0.o
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#30 - 2014-08-27 02:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Sansha is easily doable in an AC200 RF EMP wolf with a single T2 rep and a cap booster (IIRC I used 2 T2 ambits for rigs). It's pre-aggro changes domi level tea party.

Dramiel I did with a dualrep (one SAR) DD 2 webs 1 painter. Overheat everything but webs and buttonmash. It just goes down faster than you, cap is just enough to kill him.

Worm and DD - dunno. I did manage to get them in DD before burner changes, but no luck since the last SiSi patch (didn't try worm because lol scram). DD now has like 320 DPS and wipes the floor with all possible kinds of DDs I come up with.

Worm should be easily doable in an enyo with some speed mods (can forgo magstabs entirely). With DD it has insane DPS. In my case it was a race to kill him before my lows fry. With 2 OH meta4 kin hardeners (T2s don't fit because CPU. Faction should make it easy, but not seeded at SiSi) it has slightly more DPS than a T2 rep can tank non-OH. And a big bad buffer tank. Thus lows go down faster than him.

DD, I believe, should be easily doable in a blaster harpy with nulls and tank (1 TE and 2 T2 locus put nulls optimal exactly where it's needed. Overheated T2 small shield booster should give enough tank). No webs are probably needed. Can't test though. Because no skills.

Cruor is wolf.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#31 - 2014-08-27 06:31:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Your problem was thinking that pve could ever be anything else. NPCs aren't people, people are the ones who provide unpredictability.


Let's not talk about how "unpredictable" people are in Eve. Your ship has x slots but only 1 or 2 "correct" combinations of mods, I have pretty good chance to guess your fit correctly. Only thing I cannot predict is what's your poison: solo, linky solo, falcon alt solo, baiting for friends to warp in, baiting for friends to cyno in... But after first encounter I will know that too.

Go people! \o/

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-08-27 07:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Queotzcatl wrote:
Hot the bloody hell is it going to work?? Didi you tried and live?? I tried iy and die!Evil

About this fit. Why anti kinetic pump?
I tried this fit, get into 50% Dramiel shield, by that time I was in hull, overheating, and didnt have a chance to activate once the cap injector, i was dead before. Do you use implants or what? Its not going to tank the Dram for real


The Burner Dramiel was DPS buffed, you need to overheat you Hardeners and maybe your armor rep, that depends on your skills. I never had any problems.
Try this before you are on grid:
0. Set keep at range to 1.2km
1. activate both Hardeners
While in warp:
1. overheat both Hardeners
2. Preoverheat your guns and armor rep
On Grid:
1. Lock the Burner Dramiel
2. Use keep at range
3. Web and shot him
4. Start your armor rep when you are in low shield

If you can't overheat and still want to use the DD, exchange the mag stab with a kinetic Hardener or get even higher explo resistances with a B-Type explo Hardener or use another ship with higher explo resistances like the Vengeance. The Burner Dramiel uses Fusion that is 83% explo and 17% kin Damage.


Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Worm and DD - dunno. I did manage to get them in DD before burner changes, but no luck since the last SiSi patch (didn't try worm because lol scram). DD now has like 320 DPS and wipes the floor with all possible kinds of DDs I come up with.

Yep, the Burner Daredevil was DPS buffed, too. The rail DD doesn't work anymore. Rail Enyo or Ishkur or Hawk work fine.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Lugalzagezi666
#33 - 2014-08-27 07:47:29 UTC
Dont forget that rats can also land wrecking shots on you, happened to me in fight with cruor, he got my dd to structure.Lol Safety first!
WASPY69
Xerum.
#34 - 2014-08-27 08:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: WASPY69
I just tried one for the heck of it on SiSi, and ended up with the Sansha one.
I tried about 10 fits between 5 different ships (Retribution, Hawk, Daredevil, etc..) Keep in mind this was before I saw this thread. And this is the fit I ended up beating it with. Didn't even break a sweat. And I'd imagine that with Coreli A-type Plate and reppers (dirt cheap on TQ) this would be almost afk worthy. So this was the fit I used:

[Retribution, Sansha Burner]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
EM Plating II

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[Empty High slot]

Small Anti-EM Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II


Overheated a bit where needed (not much, mainly to kill him faster). Took about 2 or so minutes I think.

That being said, I will probably never do these on TQ, just a fun, one time "challenge" before everyone has EFT warrior'd these to hell.


EDIT: Just read through the thread again and saw that Thorondir 42 has posted a near identical Retribution fit to the one I used. Saw this after the fact, so it's funny how similar they are. Seems like it must be the optimal Retribution fit for the Sansha Burner then. Big smile

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Esme Moya Mencken
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-08-27 08:28:56 UTC
So much success in this thread so far. I'll be the first to come out and say I lost a Worm tonight...on TQ. Sincerely underestimated the difficulty.

::hangs head in shame::
Ynef
Skill Extraction Slavery
#36 - 2014-08-27 09:03:40 UTC
I actually figured out these fits too on SiSi, but I lack the skill to fit T2 guns so not enough DPS.

Retry in a few months.

Also Faction mods are not available on the market there.
Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-08-27 09:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Archetype 66
Additional info on how to use the Vengeance fit. You are not supposed to hold the tank against it. It's a race, not that tricky, but dont waste your time. Pre overheat 2/3 launcher and pre activate the 3 webs + all launchers, pre overheat your armor rep and turn it on as soon as your shield reach ~90%. Target the bastard, hit keep at range and look at your ship burns everywhere, causing the enemy to the explosion.

Archetype 66 wrote:


And the Angel Dramiel with that (1min20. Also I got AF lvl IV only ^^) :

[Vengeance, Angel burner]
Explosive Plating II
Ballistic Control System II
Small Armor Repairer II
Ballistic Control System II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
[empty high slot]
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#38 - 2014-08-27 09:23:41 UTC
Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR.

I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness.
Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-08-27 09:29:52 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR.

I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness.


They are all dealing around 250 DPS.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-08-27 09:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Maeltstome wrote:
Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR.

I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness.


Burner racial DPS varies from ~230 to ~280 DPS, the problem is if you tank the AF like hell you won't break the tank of the Burner. You need between ~200 to ~280 racial DPS on your frig to break the Burner tank.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar