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Ore Thieving

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Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#1 - 2014-08-18 17:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Charax Bouclier
I see a few jet cans in noob systems and for fun, I wouldn't mind trying to pilfer the ore and create ill will (not really doing it for the money)

What are the repercussions in high sec besides being available to be killed by the victim and his corp? Does it kill any rep/illicit CONCORD intervention?

If it's just corp retaliation... it doesn't seem like a big deal. What type of ship should a new player (Gallente) attempt doing this with?

edit: "noob systems" - not the ones strictly prohibited by CCP
Newton Grav
Wrath of the Pea
#2 - 2014-08-18 17:18:13 UTC
If you steal in HiSec then you will go yellow to everyone ... Not just the victim & his corp.

It can be good fun but if you are doing it in any of the starter systems then ccp may have something to say about it.

Have a look at https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Criminal_Flagging_System and https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#3 - 2014-08-18 17:31:02 UTC
Newton Grav wrote:
If you steal in HiSec then you will go yellow to everyone ... Not just the victim & his corp.

It can be good fun but if you are doing it in any of the starter systems then ccp may have something to say about it.

Have a look at https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Criminal_Flagging_System and https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems


OK, so reviewing the first link, I can be attacked for 15 minutes by any player without repercussions to them. I also understand that if I am fired on, I can return fire ("limited engagements") without penalty.

I am trying to understand the timer thing - I assume I can't just quickly dock and pat myself on the back? Do I have to remain in space (maybe bookmark some "safe" location and just hang out until the timer expiry) until the suspect timer clears? Or if I dock early, am I somehow still at risk?
Newton Grav
Wrath of the Pea
#4 - 2014-08-18 17:35:08 UTC
You can still dock as long as you haven't got the 1 minute weapons timer.

So if you wanted you can just steal and then go and wait out the suspect timer in the station.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#5 - 2014-08-18 17:51:38 UTC
Also watch out for limited engagement timers, the cyan blue crossed swords icon next to suspect. Even if your not suspect if you still have that flag the person who initiated that flag can still shoot you freely and pod you in highsec.

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Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#6 - 2014-08-18 18:04:06 UTC
Newton Grav wrote:
You can still dock as long as you haven't got the 1 minute weapons timer.

So if you wanted you can just steal and then go and wait out the suspect timer in the station.


OK, so if I do the following:

1. Approach can
2. Align to station
3. Loot can
4. Warp and dock at station and wait out timer

It's that easy? Where is the risk/repercussions to me?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#7 - 2014-08-18 18:25:50 UTC
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Newton Grav wrote:
You can still dock as long as you haven't got the 1 minute weapons timer.

So if you wanted you can just steal and then go and wait out the suspect timer in the station.


OK, so if I do the following:

1. Approach can
2. Align to station
3. Loot can
4. Warp and dock at station and wait out timer

It's that easy? Where is the risk/repercussions to me?


Stop at number three. Warp around and see if anyone will engage you.

You can have some really fun and interesting fights when you're blinky. Which is a good part of what this game is about.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2014-08-18 18:36:19 UTC
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Newton Grav wrote:
You can still dock as long as you haven't got the 1 minute weapons timer.

So if you wanted you can just steal and then go and wait out the suspect timer in the station.


OK, so if I do the following:

1. Approach can
2. Align to station
3. Loot can
4. Warp and dock at station and wait out timer

It's that easy? Where is the risk/repercussions to me?
almost nothing aside from getting a name for yourself,
be aware though the newbie systems are in fact monitored by the gm's so don't make a habit of shinaninganising(©Ralph2014) the brand new players in them.
A hand full of occasions at most to prove the concept for yourself and then you should move that sort of thing out into the world.

Also, if you're able to use combat probes (a fairly short train) you can "Ninja Loot" this is, scan down and enter other players mission area's and do the same thing with their mission items and then well then back to them,
(bear in mind the mission rats might well switch aggression to you , so you could end up with that and an angry player after your head).
We call this "mission flipping" if you are in fact looking for a fight and I would highly recommend it as a gateway into PvP as you can be almost completely assured the target will be pve fit and you can (almost) always disengage if it goes **** up.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#9 - 2014-08-18 18:40:10 UTC
Even better when you scan down someones DED And take their escalation in a faster ship or blow up the loot in null sec before they can get it. THOSE are the best tears

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Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#10 - 2014-08-18 18:54:08 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Newton Grav wrote:
You can still dock as long as you haven't got the 1 minute weapons timer.

So if you wanted you can just steal and then go and wait out the suspect timer in the station.


OK, so if I do the following:

1. Approach can
2. Align to station
3. Loot can
4. Warp and dock at station and wait out timer

It's that easy? Where is the risk/repercussions to me?


Stop at number three. Warp around and see if anyone will engage you.

You can have some really fun and interesting fights when you're blinky. Which is a good part of what this game is about.

Mr Epeen Cool


Eventually. I'm still only two weeks in.

Quote:
be aware though the newbie systems are in fact monitored by the gm's so don't make a habit of shinaninganising(©Ralph2014) the brand new players in them.


Rules beyond the rules? I hope they let the noobs goof on each other. At any rate, I'll give it a try.

Are posting of funny rage convos permitted if you edit out the rager's name?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2014-08-18 19:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Charax Bouclier wrote:

Quote:
be aware though the newbie systems are in fact monitored by the gm's so don't make a habit of shinaninganising(©Ralph2014) the brand new players in them.


Rules beyond the rules? I hope they let the noobs goof on each other. At any rate, I'll give it a try.

Are posting of funny rage convos permitted if you edit out the rager's name?

Yeah that's more or less the case, just be aware that once you get a feel for the mechanics you should move to another system (you would be surprised how little a difference it will make, plenty of morons out there Blink)

There is a specific thread called "pirates tale" or something like that for chat logs, outside of there though they're gonna get nuked by the moderators ,same goes for kill mails.

I should further this, the subforum where this can be found is
crime and punishment and you will have posting rights there once you have a subscription.

Welcome to eve.
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#12 - 2014-08-19 01:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Charax Bouclier
So, I see this "Giant Freight Container" but I cannot open it (locked on it, and approached it, but no option to open it).

I take it that these aren't considered jet cans or are secured in some manner?

edit: Nevermind - when I left clicked the object, "open cargo" didn't show up, but in a separate window "selected item", it gave me the option to open cargo. :P

It was empty. :(
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2014-08-19 08:55:37 UTC
Charax Bouclier wrote:
So, I see this "Giant Freight Container" but I cannot open it (locked on it, and approached it, but no option to open it).

I take it that these aren't considered jet cans or are secured in some manner?

edit: Nevermind - when I left clicked the object, "open cargo" didn't show up, but in a separate window "selected item", it gave me the option to open cargo. :P

It was empty. :(
Right clicking on an object in space should give you a dropdown menu with options too. If in doubt right click all of the things.

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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#14 - 2014-08-19 11:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
Hardly anyone jetcan-mines anymore. Sometimes you'll find freight containers in belts, but the days of belts littered with cans have been over since the latest iteration on mining barges.

If you want to deliberately flag yourself to see if anyone tries to engage, you can still find yellow wrecks in belts below 0.9 sec.
If you just want to cause a ruckus in local chat for fun, suicide gank someone's barge or Venture. When they come back from being AFK they'll make sure to tell local chat what they thought about the gank.

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Roland Fale
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-08-19 14:01:02 UTC
Does anyone use jet cans anymore? W/ the advent of ore-bays I don't think it's useful or efficient for miners to use jet-cans. It seems like the only jet cans sitting around are bait traps for the tri-boxers that have about a billion skill points between their 3 pilots.

Literally: a billion.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-08-19 14:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
Roland Fale wrote:
Does anyone use jet cans anymore? W/ the advent of ore-bays I don't think it's useful or efficient for miners to use jet-cans. It seems like the only jet cans sitting around are bait traps for the tri-boxers that have about a billion skill points between their 3 pilots.

Literally: a billion.


In populated high-sec it's not a great idea, but when I used to mine in low-sec (a pretty dead system) it was a good way to save time. Rather than returning to station 5 or 6 times, I could fill up my hold plus about two jetcans, dock, and pick up the cans with a Miasmos.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-08-21 02:53:24 UTC
If you steal ore from newbies and then give it back, you teach them a valuable lesson without hurting them and likely without turning them away from the game. You wouldn't get in trouble for that.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2014-08-21 07:55:31 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
If you steal ore from newbies and then give it back, you teach them a valuable lesson without hurting them and likely without turning them away from the game. You wouldn't get in trouble for that.

is that lesson that they can get suspect flagged by taking something thats been in your cargo holdBlink?

seriously, the noobies don't mind getting belted around and podded, its a great way to break the ice.
once you convo them afterwards and chat to them (you may want to drop the price of a new ship onto them) it can be a learning experience.
Shanur
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-08-22 05:37:11 UTC
Roland Fale wrote:
Does anyone use jet cans anymore? W/ the advent of ore-bays I don't think it's useful or efficient for miners to use jet-cans. It seems like the only jet cans sitting around are bait traps for the tri-boxers that have about a billion skill points between their 3 pilots.

Literally: a billion.


Raw jet canning by itself is indeed as good as dead. If a miner is fairly sure no one will bother him (mining in a deserted corner), he may use a MTU along with a covetor/hulk, but simply dumping a jet can in space without having it be tractored in by something/someone just isn't a good idea anymore.
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-08-22 09:59:53 UTC
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Newton Grav wrote:
You can still dock as long as you haven't got the 1 minute weapons timer.

So if you wanted you can just steal and then go and wait out the suspect timer in the station.


OK, so if I do the following:

1. Approach can
2. Align to station
3. Loot can
4. Warp and dock at station and wait out timer

It's that easy? Where is the risk/repercussions to me?


1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes

And, Yes.

Risk? Really, none - especially if no one sees you and aren't paying attention as they won't know who looted the can (it doesn't exactly generate a notification, afterall). Repurcussions? Well, if I were still a highseccer, I would set a trap and wait to snatch you as you went yellow.
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