Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What if the PI resources/Moon Minerals were finite ?

In the game you could easily implement this mechanic based on a random factor, chance based and according with the moon types. The R64 Moons would have better depots and the lowest worst depots. But the depots them selves of mins would be chance based and randomly deployed thru the entire galaxy. Better they would always be profitable to explore, meaning that the minimum depot being reported would have enough resources to be explored for a certain period of time.

That would mean you could have a thulium depot in a Tribute Region system that would last for let's say 90 days of exploration and after that deposit was squeezed the same amount of thulium could be available in 2 other systems in 2 diferent regions with depots only reaching 45 days each because the moon quality. So the resources would not be finite they would be regenerated across the entire galaxy.

This would mean the current situation of deploy the pos/PI stuff and wait for the isks would end. Since the resources in the deposit would be finite.

How could this be explained ? Easy, it's simply impossible to discover all the resources of a moon all in a sudden. The discovery of new mineral depots could be advertised across universe using the several NPC news corporations (Amarr Certified News for example) and all the capsuleers would know that in that day a New Thulium Depot estimated in xxxxx m3 of mins, that would last for at least 90 days of mining was found in the 15W-GC V - Moon 1 system, again a example.

Are you people imagining the fights you could gather the day someone said that in a low sec system a hole full of money was available for grabs ?

Scout ? the report would be given in the "news" ... Pain ? yeah thats exactly what wrong with the game it's a pain to make jumps so use the JB's. It's a pain to make logistics so use the JF's... it's a pain to shoot structures so use Super Carriers... It's a pain to conquer systems, so lets just rent them from the 2 "High Powers"...

You know where this leads to ? To the stagnant game you have today...

Scanning the hundred thousand moons in null would be a damn nightmare as would moving the towers.

Fine, no more moon scanning... whatever.

You still have the (still just as terrible) "big several thousand man nullsec alliance needs to move every 90 days" part of your idea ... to which you've added on the laughable thought that a "small entity" could hold an r64. There's a reason the vast majority of them are in the hands of the big alliances...

PI should be left out of this entirely. Your idea simply doesn't fit with it.

However, changing moon mining could be useful if done in conjunction with other alterations to reduce the top-down approach to isk generation within nullsec alliances/coalitions. If the emphasis on moon goo production as the predominant (excepting renting) alliance/coalition income generation mechanic it would be good to make it move somewhat. This would really only work if the moons were made mineable via ship as well as this would decrease the necessity of setting up a mining POS but not remove the ability to do so. Thus, if you had a POS on a moon anyway you could keep tabs on what moon goo is available at any point and mine what you feel you want to. This would also mean that miners could actively mine moon goo too bringing it to the little guy. This would also mean that moons which currently have no moon goo would sometimes get some.

I can understand people who currently make isk out of moon mining complaining about a change like this but as long as this was only done alongside other complimentary changes which together addressed the heavily top down isk generation in nullsec it could work. It would stop alliances/coalitions taking all the high end moons, for a start.

A few people have posted this before, and its a horrible idea. This is a game, if you make ti more difficult to live someplace or eventually all the resources dry up we can't just fan out more, the systems become dead, and stagnate. even after 90 days you will have dead systems. Which then kills the point of null anyway.

The best way to deal with moons is to have the moon goo dry up and shift to say 'Ring mining' or an active mining interface. So you have to have people to actively mine your moon ore.

Making resources finate won't work. it will just **** people off

explain how a sub 50-billion ISK fleet to break a deathstar POS would be "fun" ... and don't forget to take into account that the defending fleet owns (or has owned) vast tracts of space, and while that moon might represent under 10% of their total r64 moon holdings, they will still field a 500bn ISK fleet to ensure that it stays theirs.

OP has just proposed the most god-awful source of mind-rending tedium since ... well ... sov.

The poor chap rebuilding bridge network every time a R64 randomly spawn on the "wrong" moon is in for a burnout.