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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#361 - 2014-08-19 17:50:46 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
He's a major contributor to events large and small. From fanfest to EVE Vegas. Of course the marketing dept would be very familiar with him.]


tell us more about somer blink being a charity


You're doing fine in here already, Andski. No need to fall back on willfully misinterpreting posts for forum fame.

Mr Epeen Cool
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#362 - 2014-08-19 17:52:26 UTC
Edward Harris wrote:
Andski wrote:


tell us more about somer blink being a charity


He makes a profit, so he must be a criminal. Burn the witch!

Reading this forum makes one lose all hope in humanity..


if he wants to make a fat profit in isk that's all fine

if he wants to turn his fat profits into real money that's not fine

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#363 - 2014-08-19 17:53:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mr Epeen wrote:
Andski wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
He's a major contributor to events large and small. From fanfest to EVE Vegas. Of course the marketing dept would be very familiar with him.]

tell us more about somer blink being a charity

You're doing fine in here already, Andski. No need to fall back on willfully misinterpreting posts for forum fame.

He's simply referring to the pathetic excuses used last time to explain why Somer should get preferential treatment. You were hitting very close to home there, after all. Whether they will be dragged out and ridiculed this time as well is yet to be determined.

While it certainly explains the connection between player and exec (and really, in this size community this is hardly shocking — just go to fanfest and buy them pallets-full of beer and you're in P), think of it as a preemptive “don't go there” since some will very likely try to use it as an excuse once again.
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#364 - 2014-08-19 17:54:42 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
a bunch of good points, showing he might have actually read the thread



Just FYI though, the torch and pitchfork are waiting in the hall closet for easy access.

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.
Edward Harris
Inner Geek
#365 - 2014-08-19 17:55:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
Edward Harris wrote:
Andski wrote:


tell us more about somer blink being a charity


He makes a profit, so he must be a criminal. Burn the witch!

Reading this forum makes one lose all hope in humanity..


if he wants to make a fat profit in isk that's all fine

if he wants to turn his fat profits into real money that's not fine



A discussion is much better and easier to hold if you stick to your previous argument and try to make a point, instead of throwing in one non-related argument after another..
Think about what you want to say first, then discuss. This just makes you look like someone who enjoys throwing tomatoes at ppl.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#366 - 2014-08-19 17:56:22 UTC
Argus Sorn wrote:
This is a thing again?

How surprising since SOMER basically posted on their site after the initial order to cease that they were looking for loopholes.

SOMER is an RMT scam, an RMT scam that has been showered with praise and gifts from CCP and now this backdoor shenanigans goes down.

We told CCP they needed to keep their hands out of SOMER last time - and apparently no one wants to listen. If this was approved by 'someone' that 'someone' needs to be fired this time.



There you are. The cool part is our educational program a year ago worked for the players.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#367 - 2014-08-19 17:57:06 UTC
Edward Harris wrote:
A discussion is much better and easier to hold if you stick to your previous argument and try to make a point, instead of throwing in one non-related argument after another..
Think about what you want to say first, then discuss. This just makes you look like someone who enjoys throwing tomatoes at ppl.


a discussion is also a lot better when you don't try to put words in my mouth

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#368 - 2014-08-19 17:57:51 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?

How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread?



Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.



Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are.

Great isn't it ☺


You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice.

I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.


That was CCP talk for **** off , trolls Twisted
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
#369 - 2014-08-19 18:01:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?

How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread?



Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.



Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are.

Great isn't it ☺


You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice.

I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.


That was CCP talk for **** off , trolls Twisted


No thats CCP talk for "look over here while we try to spin this ****".
NFain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2014-08-19 18:04:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:

There's no need to stop referral money. They just have to be very clear that you are not allowed to incentivise a real-life transaction of any kind with an in-game transaction of any kind (or vice versa).

And by “be very clear” I mean, “they have always been very clear so just shout it louder and don't accept any kind of silly work-arounds”. You are entirely free to do a transaction that involves 1 trit on one end and 1bn ISK on the other without any repercussions. You are also entirely free to engage in cash kickback schemes and ad revenue and whathaveyou to support the out-of-game efforts of other players, such as server hosting and bandwidth fees and the like. It's when you mix the two, when you use one as a quid-pro-quo for the other, that you dive headlong into the putrid ditch of RMT.


I agree Tippia. However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop.
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#371 - 2014-08-19 18:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
Benny Ohu wrote:
loving falcon's realtalk

there are some in the thread talking badly of somer's motivations, and mike azariah asked on page eight 'what do you want to happen?', so here's an opinion

it would be possible, through the investigation and final decision on what action to take, to assume good intent on somer's part (or on the part of whoever was involved in creating this promotion). but i don't think somer should be given that credit. it's not plausible in my mind that this was anything but a deliberate attempt to work an isk->money trade, within the guidelines for gtc selling laid by ccp, and knowlingly against the spirit of those guidelines.

ofc this is almost certainly something everybody's already realised. but i'm going to give my opinion anyway because frankly my opinion is the most important and also i'm great



You are great - for putting it so.

Clearly Somer's intent was RMT. Otherwise, why require that you buy the ETC through Markee Dragon? All they did in reality, is replace SOMER credits with PLEX credits. It doesn't take a genius to see this. CCP needs a serious primer on conflict of interest issues.

It is obvious that no matter what happens, that SOMER and Markee Dragon, as they have said they would , will continually look for loopholes to get away with RMT - they should be banned from EVE and ETC sales respectively.
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#372 - 2014-08-19 18:05:19 UTC
Whatever the result of the investigation is, I hope CCP exclusively hands Somer Blink limited edition ships or other in-game assets of value.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#373 - 2014-08-19 18:08:21 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Lauresh Thellere wrote:


This CSM wasn't elected a year ago.


A few of us were and we have decent memories.

m


Mike drunken recall does not count. As for your sober memory I will draw that into question. J/K
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#374 - 2014-08-19 18:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:
The one thing I know that will happen is Falcon will sort this out, id put whisky on it Lol


Yeah I hear that his investigative skills & ability to comprehend the information provided to make the correct decisions is unrivaled at CCP.


Damning Falcon with faint praise. Lol

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#375 - 2014-08-19 18:13:18 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:


Mike drunken recall does not count. As for your sober memory I will draw that into question. J/K


question all you want my sober memory. you may also want to interview unicorns and dragons. same chances of finding them

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#376 - 2014-08-19 18:14:51 UTC
NFain wrote:
However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop.
Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#377 - 2014-08-19 18:15:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
NFain wrote:
However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop.
Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling.

Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...?
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#378 - 2014-08-19 18:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Argus Sorn wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
loving falcon's realtalk

there are some in the thread talking badly of somer's motivations, and mike azariah asked on page eight 'what do you want to happen?', so here's an opinion

it would be possible, through the investigation and final decision on what action to take, to assume good intent on somer's part (or on the part of whoever was involved in creating this promotion). but i don't think somer should be given that credit. it's not plausible in my mind that this was anything but a deliberate attempt to work an isk->money trade, within the guidelines for gtc selling laid by ccp, and knowlingly against the spirit of those guidelines.

ofc this is almost certainly something everybody's already realised. but i'm going to give my opinion anyway because frankly my opinion is the most important and also i'm great



You are great - for putting it so.

Clearly Somer's intent was RMT. Otherwise, why require that you buy the ETC through Markee Dragon? All they did in reality, is replace SOMER credits with PLEX credits. It doesn't take a genius to see this. CCP needs a serious primer on conflict of interest issues.

It is obvious that no matter what happens, that SOMER and Markee Dragon, as they have said they would , will continually look for loopholes to get away with RMT - they should be banned from EVE and ETC sales respectively.

Yep. After what happened last year, I don't believe Somer deserves the benefit of the doubt. It is very hard for me to look at this and find any angle where it is a legitimate service being provided and not an obvious attempt to loophole around the EULA. The 'business proposal' and emails just aren't good, in fact, rather than exonerating Somer they make him look more shady. The manipulative language in the proposal and then his badgering on getting it cleared with 'Legal' don't strike me as the actions of a service provider, but rather as the calculated steps of a businessman. And we know what the EULA has to say about using Eve for business purposes. In my opinion, this should be viewed as a *second strike* and dealt with accordingly. Somer already did this before and made it pretty clear what the true aim was with that 1bil bonus cashout fiasco last time. There was also clear premeditation, as Somer was basically saying 'don't worry, we'll find a loophole' during the last debacle when they were forced to stop. They should be punished as repeat offenders.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#379 - 2014-08-19 18:17:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
NFain wrote:
However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop.
Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling.


To me it seems a lot like what I did when I was a kid and my mother said no to something. I asked my dad (or vice versa) in the hopes that they hadn't talked about it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#380 - 2014-08-19 18:18:16 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Tippia wrote:
NFain wrote:
However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop.
Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling.

Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...?


I strongly advise you don't start throwing mud for fun. There's enough broo-ha already without starting wild new rumours.