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The only thing I don't like is that those will be assigned randomly, they should be given out by special agents instead.
At last some interesting missions and to get to them I will have to drown in stupid old missions.

Asked and answered. Post #32

Intresting idea for a mission
and kind of getting new players to get a feeling for how pvp can be in the process

Sounds good. I've said for a long time that some missions should have you facing off against a npc that is as strong as a capluleer.

Will these burner NPCs have multiple AI routines or will the specific ships employ the same tactics every time?

Edit: why not make them vulnerable to every type of e-war available?

What I would enthusiastically support:

- More variations in burner rats (more like 50 rather than 5).
- Special agents who only give this type of mission.

Otherwise, I have no interest in running the boring normal L4 missions just to have a small chance of drawing a burner mission from the pool. With more variations in the burner rat type, you'd also have to actually think carefully about what ship to bring, rather than "oh look, the dramiel burner again, let me get my Vengeance". It would also give people who only do frigate pvp an income stream apart from faction warfare plexing.

This is a great idea, but why start with level 4 missions and vets. It's the new players that need this sort of pvp style missions.

The tutorial mission needs include pvp and pvp like missions. Ideally these should include:

- Sending the newbie into a number of simulated gate camps resembling LS and NS.

- Sending the newbie into a mission where they have to fit a scram, and prevent the NPC from warping out.

- Sending the newbie into a mission where they need to fit a warp stab.

- Sending the newbie into a Faction Warfare area and make them run a FW site or 2.

- Sending a newbie to free a trapped Dread. The newbie has to go in and jam/web/drain/... the NPC(s) to free the dread.

- Give them a newbie Dread let them blap a bunch of structures, and battleships then die in a blaze of glory.

- Give the newbie a newbie battlecruiser, battleship, or bomber for a taste of the end game, and let them keep it at the end of their mission.

(Note that newbie dreads can’t use jump drives nor can they fit through a Wormhole. So if they take the ship and not do the mission they have a newbie Dread stuck in a newbie system.)

This gives the newbie a taste of PVP, and Faction Warfare. Faction Warfare is IMNSHO the best intro into pvp, and LS/NS/WH. You can easily make enough isk to support a PVP habit.

The tutorial needs to teach concepts like scrams, bubbles, and gate camps. They need to learn to learn more than just mining and missions. They need to lose ships, and have their 1st LS experience not be losing their hard earned mission running ship to a gate camp.

I think you are missing the point. We don't want to run them for the better rewards. We want to run them because we can't take running another lvl 4 mission. Of course give us a week or 2 and we'll be bored out of our skullswith the 5 variations.

These sound interesting. Even interesting enough to perhaps minimize my 30 chat tabs and undock for poking at them.

Deadspace / officer fitted pirate frig with links in system you say? With a pirate high grade set in his head? That can be quite a tough fight and probably not something that a fresh player is able to take on even in T2 frigate. Hell it will probably give a well seasoned frigate pilot good run for his money. Intriguing to say at very least. Will they pod me if I pop and are slow at getting out? Ofcource if one cant take it solo he is free to team up to crack that nut. Plus considering that there is no penalties to declining or failing this mission those who cant take these can just pretend they do not exist.

Players have the advantage ofc in picking the right ship, popping a pill or two and overheating when it matters.

Just make sure you very clearly state that they incur no penalties for failing/declining as new players sometimes do not read forums.

Putting them in the regular Lev 4 pool was quite a clever twist which I did not expect. But I must say that it indeed solves the problem of farmability pretty nice. One can still dial for these to some extent if he has very many alts with standings and/or high number of agents in close proximity but it is still a lot less reliable way than just sitting on one agent and asking for these over and over again.

If they are in the regular mission pool then yeah, null sec pirate agents will be handing these out as well. In that regard tilting the rewards more towards LP side than isk side is excellent, as LP payouts scale with different sec status a lot more significantly than isk side of the reward for normal missions.

It seems I do have after-all something to look forward in the upcoming patch. Who knows perhaps these missions will make these guys who just level up their Raven in hi sec also stay a little longer as they have something more fun and challenging to pursue than just sitting there in their marauder and deleting 200 red crosses per hour.

Actually, considering you are in minmatar FW you have probably high enough standings to minmatar to have access to all of their L4 agents. Disregarding the use of alts you can pretty reliably dial for those missions as the L4 mission pool per specific agent is actually relatively limited. As a rough ballpark every L4 agent pulls their missions from a pool of roughly ~ 15 unique missions (counting chains as "one mission"), you will have about 2 or 3 out of 5 new burner missions in your pool. So you should have approx 15..20% probability of getting one.

Frigates are fast you know. So it's in a essence like collecting your FW missions, it's just that you are running in your combat ship between the agents and you get 2 tries at each agent. Ask for L4 missions, if its not burner decline, ask again, if it's still not burner you are on 4h timer, move on (or decline again while standings take it), etc. IT really helps if you fish out a good location with a lot of L4 security agents in close proximity of each other.