Player Features and Ideas Discussion

no.. we just prefer them to be good and useful isntead of following a completely asthetic and irrelevant target of having 8 high slots.

I don't know if this has been suggested....

Why not just give the Ishtar a Sentry Drone Range penalty. The biggest problem with the Ishtar is that it fills the same role as a BS because of the damage and range but also has the mobility of a cruiser. Kiting Ishtars wouldn't be such a big deal without the range on sentries.

On a related topic,

Why are Sentries in the same class as the other drones? Why not split drones into 2 groups: Mobile Drones and Sentry Drones and then you can have a small medium and large of each and spread them out appropriately. Every other weapon class has it's short and long range groups. Why not drones too?

Sadly in many ways it is a severely underwhelming ship that doesn't quite seem to know what it is other than having pg and bonuses relevant to artillery. I'd rather see it be a little more versatile for armour or shields though than restricted just to an armour brawler where artillery is less useful.

It's not really about the amount of high slots but the fact that Battleships are not very useful in pvp unless you are doing long range sniping with a big fleet or structure bashing, they do plenty of dps just **** tracking and are to slow to stay in range of anything during a long fight. considering the scramblers affect that 100km jump system and the mwd.

Thanks for your continued efforts on balancing, however;

* The entire eve community has already told you the Ishtar changes are not effective and demonstrated why

* The CSM has also told you this change is not effective

* Over 70 pages of feedback in this thread are telling you that this is not good enough

* Why aren't you listening?

Expecting us to be happy with this dogmatic position is an insult in the context of the statement "we get releases very often now" considering the Ishtar will have been in this broken state for what...8+ months before this completely ineffective change?

Assuming you do not change your position, how long until we get the next iteration with an effective, balanced fix? Another 8 months? Genuine question.

Can we open the [next release] HAC changes thread now to get the ball rolling? (can we also include a look at the BS and Bombers issues (separate) which you acknowledge as well please).

So, putting it's tracking in range with the Vexor Navy Issue, then. Alright. I am looking at gettig into an ishtar for DED sites soon, and frankly, I despise Sentry drones. Their immobility is a massive turn-off, and their DPS when compared to Geckos or Augmented Ogres, even with a sentry damage rig, is crap. Remove the sentry drone bonuses to the Ishtar, and give them something else. Maybe a defensive level bonus or drone something. Hell, maybe Hybrid damage.



And this. I feel EVE and most of it's players are way, way too fanboyish over turrets- mainly projectiles. (I loathe projectile turrets, myself.) Woopee, a tiny optimal and huge falloff. I get to do half damage!) I've been a missile fan for ages, and a rising love of drones over the last year or so. Still, lasers and hybrids have peaked my interest from time to time. However yeah, the bias towards projectiles is sickening at times.

The fact that Ishtars are, arguably, too powerful with Geckos is not the fault of the Ishtar. It is the fault of the overpowered Geckos. The same argument could be made of the Eos or the Domi, if fit with Geckos. "Fixing" the DPS of Gecko-fit ships should happen in the drone, not the ship.

Phrased another way, I don't think that limited edition drones and ammunition should really be considered when defining the specifications of a ship. There is no replacement plan for the Gecko, and in time it will disappear. Should you neuter the Ishtar to compensate for limited edition equipment, then when the limited edition equipment is gone, you will have a grossly underpowered Ishtar.

I would not be opposed to a modest Gecko nerf, as I feel that they interfere with reasoned thinking about the viability, advantages, and disadvantages of drone systems.

If you allow a tempest to mount 8 guns then suddenly it becomes overpowered. Things cannot be like that.

TEmpest was supposedto be a battleship taht traded 1 of the damage bonuses to free extra slots while keeping high enough damage. The free slots are there, but the damage is Not high because only 6 lows means tempest uses 1 less damage mod than other battleships.

For long time temepst was still used as a shield heavy BC. But since the warp speed changes and the batttleships rebalance (when it got larger for no freacking reason) it became useless on that role, because even normal BC are too slow.

Tempest issue is simple. The 5% damage bonus does not pay off . The same problem was faced in the hyperion but the hyperion got preferencial treatment and got a 10% damage bonus and 125m drone bay. Even if the hypeiron bonuses were to AC, the hyperion would do MORE damage than a tempest... that while usign 1 damage bonus and having a repair bonus, while the tempest would need to use 2 damage bonuses for that.

That simple math shows how HORRIBLY unbalanced the tempest is. It needs an Uplift on the 5% damage bonus to 7.5% or change the rof bonus to 8% per level and make the damage bonus into something more interesting (not trackign.. not the worst and most uselles bonus possible)

Sorry no. You are completely wrong. Most of the people attackign the ishtar here are people that are way over 100M sp and have ALL weapon systems and races crosstrained.

It is not unique. It is just a pocket dominix that can do all that the dominix can offensive wise. while all other hacs are far less powerful damage projection or dps wise than their racial battleships.

Ishtar is simply overpowered because 125m drone bay was created at a time where drone boats had only half their damage from drone bayd, sicne no drone damage mods meant usign only drones was not enough.