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Returning player interested in solo PvP ship

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Galbatorix Renthar
Elkarion Industries
#1 - 2014-08-11 06:43:42 UTC
Hello people!

I have recently re-activated my EVE account after a 3 year break and I basically have no idea whatsoever as to what I'm doing apart from the fact that I'd like to get back into trying some solo PvP again. I'm wondering if anybody would be so kind as to give me some suggestions based on my skills as to what some decent ships for going on solo PvP ventures might be?

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Galbatorix_Renthar?level=4

Looking for something to work towards apart from the Rifters that I'm currently flying.. perhaps a Destroyer if they're viable for solo and eventually an Assault Frigate..

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks for your time!

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#2 - 2014-08-11 07:43:20 UTC
What are your resources, ISK-wise?

I would give you very different suggestions if you have 220 billion ISK squirrelled away to what I'd give someone with 100 million. (I'm guessing from the lack of Trade skills you are closer to the latter)


Also, train Advanced Weapons Upgrades to 2 or 3, you have the prerequisites.

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Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-08-11 07:44:42 UTC
Galbatorix Renthar wrote:
Hello people!

I have recently re-activated my EVE account after a 3 year break and I basically have no idea whatsoever as to what I'm doing apart from the fact that I'd like to get back into trying some solo PvP again. I'm wondering if anybody would be so kind as to give me some suggestions based on my skills as to what some decent ships for going on solo PvP ventures might be?

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Galbatorix_Renthar?level=4

Looking for something to work towards apart from the Rifters that I'm currently flying.. perhaps a Destroyer if they're viable for solo and eventually an Assault Frigate..

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks for your time!



Hey there, welcome back, and GL with soloing!

It would be useful to know where you're going to fly, the meta is quite different between null and lo sec.

I'm gonna speak for low sec, since that's what i know, and that's where it's most likely you'll end up.

With your current skills, you don't really have that many options:
- on the Amarr side, i'd suggest a heavily tanked tormentor (200 plate + small ancillary repper), or the cookie cutter kiting slicer, or a scram kite executioner (i don't really like this one much tbh, it really is sub par compared to other options)
- Minmatar side.... eh. Firetail is pretty much the only thing i'd undock in with your skills. Rifter and Slashers i find terribly unerperforming, and you don't have the skills for a breacher.

Stepping up to Dessies, a shield-mwd-scram autocannon thrasher is a very viable choice. So would be a Coercer on the Amarr side, and the Dragoon if you step up on the drones skill.

AFs, i don't really consider them all that viable solo, mostly because you'll have troubles finding fights, and most of them have horrible range control. Generally speaking, Jaguar is generally considered border line trash (i don't agree, but it sure isnt a beast of a boat), Wolf can be fun (i like the arty kiting one), Retri and Veng are very solid. To be honest i wouldnt trouble with AFs for now, you need to work on some skills first (some gunnery support skills, hull upgrades V for EANMs, some shield skills because you're really gimping your potential ship line without them, some work on navigation skills, range dictation being key of every fight, also capacitor skills if you intend to fly amarr because those are cap hungry)
Galbatorix Renthar
Elkarion Industries
#4 - 2014-08-11 09:18:58 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
What are your resources, ISK-wise? Also, train Advanced Weapons Upgrades to 2 or 3, you have the prerequisites.


My current resources are around 100M and a bunch of random items/ships (one fitted battlecruiser and an assault frigate, rest are various cruisers/frigates and the odd destroyer, also have a ton of T2 fittings for PvP frigates)

I am however considering dumping some cash into two PLEX and selling them off, so if it's not too much of a hassle some advice for the 100M bracket and some advice for around 1bil+ would both be very helpful. I am currently training Advanced Weapons Upgrades to 3 now thanks :)



Doctor Knuckles wrote:
It would be useful to know where you're going to fly, the meta is quite different between null and lo sec.


Ahh I forgot to mention that I will be flying around in low sec, I currently have no plans to move into null in the foreseeable future.

I guess I will focus into Frigates and Destroyers for now instead of working on the Assault Frigates. I will begin training some shield skills to broaden my options as well as putting a few more points into drones. It's a bit of a headache just looking at the ridiculous amount of skills there are and having no idea what to train Lol
Marc Durant
#5 - 2014-08-11 10:14:06 UTC
You need to think in strategies;

- AB scram kite is a great way to die (pretty much where AF are) unless you run into that special unicorn target
- slow MWD kite doesn't really work (again, AF)
- fast MWD kite + ewar works great for solo and it can be done by cheap T1 frigates (condor, atron, executioner)
- anti-kite can also work if you do it right, best ship for that is the Slasher

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Belesia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
#6 - 2014-08-11 12:17:13 UTC
I prefer to look at it more from a target rich perspective. As a solo frig pilot you want the best hunter:hunted ratio possible imo. There's noting worse than flying around unable to find targets to kill. This is one of the largest downsides to the AF, not because they are bad but rather because most people will run from them and those that don't likely have the experience or confidence that their fit counters your own.

You will find that kiting ships and fits naturally have more prey than their brawling counter parts and will afford you more kills per lose on average. I'd look at just getting back into the swing with cheap T1 frigs with T2 fits with the aim at moving into Faction/Pirate frigs once you are more confident with your abillity. Not really saying anything new to those above and they have already mentioned the ship by name so I needn't repeat them.

A couple of things worth mentioning for a better overview I guess would be...

- Brawling tends to be more skill point dependant. When it's a dps race that only one surrvives those level 5 skills that give more hull/armour/shiled/damage/speed ect, will win fights.
- Range dictation wins fights. Whoever wins the range war will either apply their damage better, mitigate your damage more or both. Speed kills.
- Kiting has a higher player skill potential than brawling.

My only advice is to emphasis the importance of your navigation skills. They are just as much if not more important than weapon and tank related skills. Doesn't matter what your dps is if a blaster ship can always get you into their optimal range and melt you. Not to mention all the kills you miss out on because the opponent disengages by burning out of your point. It will also double up and allow you to disengage should the need arise.

P.S. A dual prop Hawk is the daddy of solo AF's.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-11 16:58:16 UTC
Belesia Velorea wrote:
I prefer to look at it more from a target rich perspective. As a solo frig pilot you want the best hunter:hunted ratio possible imo. There's noting worse than flying around unable to find targets to kill. This is one of the largest downsides to the AF, not because they are bad but rather because most people will run from them and those that don't likely have the experience or confidence that their fit counters your own.

This is very true. I fly t1s, not because I can't fly faction or assault frigates, but because I'm guaranteed to get more fights. Sure you'll lose some t1s to faction frigs...but every now and then you'll best one, which is always quite amusing.

My favorite, hands down, is the Breacher. Massive tank, relatively fast, and a ton of ways to fit it. Really, any of the t1 frigates can be used to good effect with some proper planning. Pick a ship and learn it's strengths and weaknesses. Find a decent fit and iterate on it until you are very aware of what it is capable of. Start here if you have no idea which ship to pick. And I'd stick to frigates for a while. It's a much cheaper way to learn and the same concepts apply to larger ships.

Faction Warfare space is a good place to find some decent 1v1s, though you'll also find quite a lot of 2v1s and 8v1s, so be aware of your surroundings.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#8 - 2014-08-11 21:59:36 UTC
Galbatorix Renthar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
What are your resources, ISK-wise? Also, train Advanced Weapons Upgrades to 2 or 3, you have the prerequisites.


My current resources are around 100M and a bunch of random items/ships (one fitted battlecruiser and an assault frigate, rest are various cruisers/frigates and the odd destroyer, also have a ton of T2 fittings for PvP frigates)

I am however considering dumping some cash into two PLEX and selling them off, so if it's not too much of a hassle some advice for the 100M bracket and some advice for around 1bil+ would both be very helpful. I am currently training Advanced Weapons Upgrades to 3 now thanks :)



Doctor Knuckles wrote:
It would be useful to know where you're going to fly, the meta is quite different between null and lo sec.


Ahh I forgot to mention that I will be flying around in low sec, I currently have no plans to move into null in the foreseeable future.

I guess I will focus into Frigates and Destroyers for now instead of working on the Assault Frigates. I will begin training some shield skills to broaden my options as well as putting a few more points into drones. It's a bit of a headache just looking at the ridiculous amount of skills there are and having no idea what to train Lol



I would in this case recommend tech 1 frigates with a kiting fit, as others have suggested.

It's not really enough to buy PLEX if you want to PVP in larger ships - you need an income that can absorb losing ships repeatedly. I make a couple billion a month trading and producing, so I can PVP in pretty much anything I want, but if you have an income of a couple tens of millions a month, you want to keep your losses cheap, even if you had two billion banked.

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