Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You know, I completely agree with that. Battlecruisers need the help, to be honest.

Carriers need to be able to use them to be able to hit POS.
That is not the solutionon carrier.s ON carriers the solution if split the drone bay and fighter bay. Make carriers able to bring only 250 m of DRONES.

when you ignore the rest of my poist yes.. but as I said. .they are irrelevant for a kitter. Kiters want to NOT get hit. I fyou are needing so much that shield bonus that means you are not kiting well.
THere are other ships that play the kittignrole better now, like the navy omen and tengu

And yet they do get hit. The thing is, the more resistance your shield or armor has, the longer you can stay.

if you stay logn while being hit you are playign the kite game wrong. IF you need the vabadond shield boost ammount to stay alive you are not kiting well andyou should change tactics.

Optimization.. beign less bad is not the same as being good.

adding T2 capital guns with ammo like scorch etc.. might help

I Also have concerns, though not on the idea of it being a "battleship class " weapons system. That is a discussion for elsewhere, However. Any ship that is used En Mass will appear to be overpowered, and minor nerfs and tweaks, just means bring a couple more.

But you ARE correct the Ishtar is basically designed around them The same way a Tier three BC is designed around heavy weapons.

So making them weaker or less effective, really is not doing anything, up to a certain point, that once reached makes it Unwanted and overshadowed by ships that are designed around THEIR weapons systems.

Only that will satisfy those who believe it is monstrously OP. "kill the ishtar" is the least that will satisfy them. Either directly or by the death of a thousand cuts. They may be right or wrong, I have my opinion, and others have theirs.

Once this occurs a new flavour of the month appears, and we rinse and repeat the process on them, until all the ships are unpleasant to use for anything else.

If one wishes to remove the Ishtar from this meta then Some form of the Gila treatment is required If one does decide to completely rebalance the Ishtar. Because apart from Heavy drones being awful as a primary weapon, they too will be dismissed as a battleship class weapon. so round and round we go.

That balance can be discussed and tweaked to make it useful, valuable and desired and keeping a different flavour somehow.

But step by step, little nerf by nerf, will only make some happy when it is the last ship one picks.
Then on to the next one.

So the solution Is that If the player base decides to use any ship En Mass then ensure there is a counter. If one already exists, tell the players to use it and move on. If not make a ship the FOM killer or disarmer/de-fanger. One of the other HACs would fill this role well, Eagle or cerberus come to mind in this case, with the ability to rip through sentry drones at range. Application bonuses to the appropriate weapon would work.

Or possibly a better idea would be focused long range ammo that was particularly effective at Sentry drones, possibly a FOF variant that prioritises sentry drones, but either way it should be weak at against applying damage to moving targets.....

A new heavy missile launcher ammo would work here as there would be balanced player behaviour, leave the sentries out and kill the attacker, or pull them in and relaunch to save your sentries. Balance the range to match max long range sentry engagement distance.

You cannot satisfy the player base, all the time, in every way, Haters gotta hate. If something is overpowered, it is only because there is no effective counter. If there is a good counter already, then nothing you do will change the haters mind except unconditional surrender.
And that is not good for the game.

At this point they should just allow T2 ammo to be used in T1 guns. Another big reason Gallente is more popular than Amarr and Minmatar combined is that their weapon system is actually functional at T1.

T1 artillery works OK, but both kinds of lasers and autocannons are worthless weapon systems at T1. Beam lasers take too much cap and fitting for new players to use and pulse lasers/ACs are just awful without their range ammo. Blasters and railguns, on the other hand, still do good DPS at short/long range, respectively. I'm not saying not having Null doesn't hurt but it huts a LOT less than not having Scorch or Barrage. You're not going to even scratch the paint on anything shooting Radio or Proton.

there's no reason not to. but obviously, T2 ammo still needs a massive rework so all the offending types are on-par with javelin.

Battlecruisers (with the exception of Attack Battlecruiers) and some of the Command Cruisers could use another pass (Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente should get a variant with +50% shield/armor, respectively). All T1 and Faction Battleships need another pass, as well as a few tweaks to T2 Marauders, T2 Blackops and two of the Pirate Battleships (Barghest and Nestor).