Player Features and Ideas Discussion

probably nothign .THey will not change anythign esle for hyperion. Now they have a hsort release cycle. Very little chance to implement player opinions on same scheduleed release. If anythign on the next mini release he might make a new thread with new things.

What if it was because some ships are better used in skirmish than in massed fleets because their design trait make them better at that? What if they were not handed in large fleet number because of the operating requirment to make the ship shine was too complexe for a massed fleet formed of warm body but the ship was still of as **** when it's defining trait are used correctly?

Is something automatically not broken just because nobody handed it in great number?

Should a unique ship be borderline invincible because it's supply is limited?

3x T2 Damage in Lows.
1x 10MN Experi MWD to exacerbate fittings.
EMP, MF, AM, Scourge for ammo
Where drones are significant (5x HH2 = 158dps, 5x Hor 2 = 100dps)

Muninn: 720mm = 362 (22+22)
Muninn: 425mm = 432 (2+12)
Vaga: 425mm = 432 (2+18)
Vaga: 425mm = 396 (3+27) (Barrage)

Sac: HAMs = 406 (30)
Sac: Heavy = 294 (94)
Zealot: Pulse = 498 (11+5)
Zealot: Beam = 545 (23+10)

Cerb: HAMs = 487 (45)
Cerb: Heavy = 353 (141)
Eagle 250mm = 402 (41+15)
Eagle Neutron = 448 (5+6)

Deimos: Neutron = 560 (2+9)
Deimos: 250mm = 503 (18+22)

Ishtar: Garde 2 = 700 (41+18)
Ishtar: Bouncer 2 = 620 (72+48)
Ishtar: HH2 = 397
Ishtar: Ogre2 = 793
Ishtar: Hob2 = 248


Without worrying on tank, some notables.
Vaga can’t fit artillery, needs mods. Needs barrage. Munnin can fit 425s, but ... no?

Ishtar - it gets ALL the fittings in one ship. closeup DPS, superb long range, brutal close range using Ogres. It has a crapton of fitting! It does EVERYTHING in one ship.

If we fit ranged ammo or DPS ammo on any of the other ships it GIMPs certain aspects horribly. We cannot cross tank, we cannot cover any eventuality (frigates/cruisers and BS in one fitting). We can up the DPS 10-12% using faction ammo (something the Ishtar can only do a bit).

DPS comes at a cost for range on most of the ships. Blasters and auto cannon in particular. But its not 700 DPs to 793. It starts way lower and suffers from things like cap issues, falloff, damage lockin,

Can anyone see where the problems lie?

• The Munnin is atrocious - utter crap.
• ...
• The Vaga is just crap - weak and no dps.
• The Eagle needs some drones.
• Deimos is good.
• Zealot - perhaps some drones, some cap for sure.
• Sac is good.

Ishtar is down here. Its a class above every ship in every aspect. Tweaking it - get a grip CCP!

Cerb needs a HML application bonus, unless they just un-break HML globally. That paper DPS aint worth jack in the real world.

The issue with T2 missiles is, unless the target is MASSIVE, you're losing shedloads of damage and faction is more use.

Not as much as you'd think - and target painters/webs help everything almost universally so are effectively moot to the debate.

The other problem with fitting rigors is that it causes big drops in tank, something other hulls do not require.

Look at this post I made demonstrating HML application https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4884869#post4884869

T2 would only be worse.

Or to save you the time:

Cerberus:
[Cerberus, HML]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II



Target:
[Thorax, Thorax Rails]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x5


Cerberus paper DPS: 501

ACTUAL DPS shooting that MWD shield tanked cruiser? 223.


Swap to faction and paper DPS is 426 ACTUAL DPS is 373.


Underwhelming isnt even the word.

why are you using the wrong missiles?

and why do missile scrubs think they should do full damage to everything with no effort? 373 with silly hml range is fine.

yes, sentries are broken as ****.

perhaps you should be asking for game changes that enable very long range weapon systems to be usable, rather than wanting railgun stats ported over to heavy missiles. lol @ shield tanking gallente.

I think it's alright. the people with capless, all-damage type weapons with total range flexibiliy always seem to be able to totally overlook the importance of these qualities in smaller pvp.

muh ad populum