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Multi Boxing for Unfair game play is bannable. Close Thread please

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#161 - 2014-08-07 19:56:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
IS boxer is third party software used to manipulate the game. No getting around it other than CCP allows it.
There's also no getting around the fact that there's nothing to suggest that they would disallow it.
There is no rule against using third-party software to manipulate the game, after all (unless you only mean “manipulate” in the sense of “modify”, but there's a specific rule for that and it doesn't care one whit about third-party software anyway).

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Vote with your feet and or wallet if you don’t agree with their hypocrisy.
Tbh, the only hypocrisy here is the OP's being upset over his friend being banned for legitimate reasons and wanting others to suffer the same fate without having broken any rules.
vOv

As always your interpretation is special...as in a short bus sorta way. I don’t disagree CCP allows it. It is their prerogative to do so.

To argue it is not breaking the Eula as written is just tippia being tippia.
RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#162 - 2014-08-07 19:58:18 UTC
This whole thread comes across as another

Wabbit Season!
Duck Season!
Wabbit Season!
Duck Season!

debate from Bugs Bunny.

The difference is the Game Warden has said it's Duck Season...

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#163 - 2014-08-07 20:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
As always your interpretation is special...as in a short bus sorta way.
No, it is special… as in “the being correct way”. I know that this would be a very special and extraordinary case for you, but for the rest of us, it happens with some regularity.

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To argue it is not breaking the Eula as written is just tippia being tippia.
Yes, it is me being right, as usual.
There is nothing in the rules that disallows multiboxing — be it manual, mechanical, or software-assisted — and there are a multitude of statements from CCP confirming this fairly obvious reading of those rules.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#164 - 2014-08-07 20:06:01 UTC
Tippia says: I don't always use propositional symbolic logic when I argue about stuff on the internet. But when I do, I use DeMorgan's theorem.


Cheers.

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Marsha Mallow
#165 - 2014-08-07 20:06:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I was mighty bored so… here's to you OP, and why your premise is a fallacy:

First of, what does “denying the antecedent” mean?

Whilst that was a very informative and well written post, I'd really rather not see the inner workings of the logic-bot. It might start rubbing off on the rest of us, god help us if we can't just make things up to support our argument.
It's much more fun when you just shout: Your argument is fallacious! Ad hominem! I am right! I accept your surrender! etc

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#166 - 2014-08-07 20:06:53 UTC
Oh look, a Gevlon pet crying on the forums because his friend got banned for botting & how his interpretation of the EULA should be the correct one. Shocking news. Coming up next on the Greedy Goblin: Something about multiboxing being against the rules & a graph proving otherwise.

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Jeremy Kamira
#167 - 2014-08-07 20:10:37 UTC
As long as CCP is making money they don't care if somebody pays more money to them to multibox. Everything nowadays is about money.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#168 - 2014-08-07 20:11:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
O2 jayjay wrote:
This Clearly states that Multi Boxing is fine. So you can Multi box away in your incursions.

But this also states using it to gain an unfair advantage over player Example ganking ect is not acceptable.
The good news is that multiboxing does not confer any kind of unfair advantage. In fact, in many cases, you are at a disadvantage when multiboxing compared to just having each ship individually controlled.

The fact that you have, say, a dozen ships all doing the exact same thing rather than a dozen ships doing what's best in each individual case means that a large portion of those ships will not do what's the most advantageous to them.

Marsha Mallow wrote:
Whilst that was a very informative and well written post, I'd really rather not see the inner workings of the logic-bot. It might start rubbing off on the rest of us, god help us if we can't just make things up to support our argument.
It's much more fun when you just shout: Your argument is fallacious! Ad hominem! I am right! I accept your surrender! etc

Well, yes, but like I said, I was bored and had some time to waste. P
Most of the time, slapping people in the face with the names of their errors is just so much faster and more have more… interesting… results.
oohthey ioh
Doomheim
#169 - 2014-08-07 20:11:33 UTC
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


ISboxer doesn't breach what's said above, it's not bottling in any way nor is it modify the Interface, it's just splicing the screen and moving part of the image around. it's modify the screen not the game. Just as if place paper over half of my screen or even take a screenshot and Photoshop it.

CCP said them self multiply times it's okey on previous forums post, you could even file a petition.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#170 - 2014-08-07 20:13:56 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
To argue it is not breaking the Eula as written is just tippia being tippia.


People keeps saying it breaks a certain part of the EULA, but it seems to show otherwise. :iiam: how some people think.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#171 - 2014-08-07 20:16:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
O2 jayjay wrote:
This Clearly states that Multi Boxing is fine. So you can Multi box away in your incursions.

But this also states using it to gain an unfair advantage over player Example ganking ect is not acceptable.
The good news is that multiboxing does not confer any kind of unfair advantage. In fact, in many cases, you are at a disadvantage when multiboxing compared to just having each ship individually controlled.


Oh man, let me tell you about this time I was multiboxing with 10 Vindicators & some guys came along & ganked the Vindicator account I was using to broadcast.

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#172 - 2014-08-07 20:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Glathull
I do wish that all EULAs were re-written in a more succinct way though. They should all say this: you are using our stuff. It's not your stuff. We will do whatever we want whenever we want, and we don't have to ask your opinion. If you don't like it, f*** off. We are not your bi***. If you do anything we don't like, we will f*** you up. No questions asked or answered.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Mag's
Azn Empire
#173 - 2014-08-07 20:54:00 UTC
O2 jayjay wrote:
So you still need to be using Different computers!
Nope.

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#174 - 2014-08-07 21:05:37 UTC
*facepalm*
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#175 - 2014-08-07 21:32:02 UTC
As I understand it CCP won't endorse or condemn ISBoxer but so long as it doesn't set off their botting detection, resulting in a ban, you're fine. If it should ever result in that, you're screwed. If I'm interpreting that correctly, I guess that's fine and all but I thought EVE was supposed to be about interacting with others. At least that's typically the response from the community when someone comes along demanding their solo style of play should be catered to. If the argument for ISBoxer is that it makes multi-boxing easier, I would ask why multi-boxing should be made easier. I don't begrudge anyone their play-style, I gave up multi-boxing years ago because I found it tedious. Had this software been available back then, I might have tried it but with no official CCP endorsement on it, I doubt it.

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samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#176 - 2014-08-07 21:56:12 UTC
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#177 - 2014-08-07 22:46:56 UTC
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