Wormholes

would the changes to black holes make phoenixes viable farming ships? o.0

Well, if it means you have to field, say, 4 chain archons instead of 1 triage and 1+ drone DPS carriers, I'm not sure your "it's faster" is actually applicable.

I mean, as long as the Moros never don't have a target, you're not gaining any speed either way. Even when we're fielding 3 Moros instead of 2 (more than that and targeting/webbing gets too chaotic), we have almost no downtime in the site for escalations.

Still, if it's too much for ye, move to a system that doesn't have a local rep penalty...

Dem Wolf-Rayet bonuses...

I, too, enjoy 15m sigRad 25kEHP Assault frigates zipping around around at 1000m/s doing 650dps. RIP. Literally no reason to ever bring anything else ever for PvP.

I'm also anxious to see the first vids of the new 33km/s Succubus. Yes, that's kilometers, as in 33000 meters. Ofc, if you want one that is combat capable, stick to a MWD and zoom around at only 21km/s.

Well, it should spawn some awesome pvp vids. vOv

I like all of the proposed changed especially black holes

Assuming Fozzie is correct and the implementation stays the same, a RLML Tengu in a C6 W-R can drop 2340 DPS, and a cloaky RLML Tengu can drop ~1300 (with 50k EHP and 500k self-rep on Ancillary). With almost perfect damage application and 30km range to boot.

I mean, that's just silly.



So move to a non-Cataclysmic? I'm also not too sure how you manage to coordinate targeting and webbing with that many dreads on field. Even with 3, it gets rather chaotic. 5-6 dreads, you're going to have a lot of targeting overlap, BSes dying while others are still locking them, two dreads shooting at the same target, etc, and actually getting webs on all of those being shot will be nearly impossible (especially since it takes those BSes like 30 seconds to slow down from full speed).

I really hope this change goes through as is! 200 dps crows 450 dps talwars? Can fight anything out numbered and out gunned. I think the massive dps boosts will even out with the massive armor amounts.

Moving means admitting defeat. I will not be beaten by these changes!

And yes it is harder to coordinate, but when you start killing things too fast you just add more webbing lokis who alternate targets and preweb many in advance. Also dreads prelock 5-6 BSes (spacing when they start the lock so they never have more than 2 locked at once) to keep up.

ZOMG, what have you done to my precious mags. That drone tracking + TP nerf = I'm sure CCP studies my fleet comps.
Red giant bomb shens even more fun. Adding bomb aoe range bonus would also be hilarious.

Stepped back, read through the responses on CV's, and wanted to add flavor for the Dev and the community.

The original logic submitted was that some WH systems were underutilized, yet the specific logic for changing CV effect was to deter perceived issues with capital balance. I don't agree that Cataclysmic Variable system population across wormhole classes and high-end (C5/6) capital balance are linked at the hip. I am concerned that changes are being promoted to catas that have nothing to do with their specific system use and population.

Catas [to me] are defensive holes by virtue of the effects in place. The bonuses to RR make spider fleets from battleships through carriers the best option, but they also promote lower SP/smaller corporation fleet composition for PvE. The downside is lower ISK/hr redemption, however, that trade off is acceptable to smaller corporations. Concurrently, buffing RR fleets makes residents in catas more able to defend their system IMO, especially as they add carriers to the mix and accounting for mass restrictions on incoming forces. Since I have telegraphed enough intel already, this is exactly why our corporation selected a cata C6 to move UP to.

Alternatively there is the magnatar effect which IMO favors large corporations/alliances and promotes high ISK/hr returns. To me, catas and magnatars are diametrically opposed, and functional, system effects that allow corporations to tailor and adapt and succeed under differing influences.

Why is this perceived to be an imbalance issue? The middle of the missive in the original post was congratulatory towards pilots for adapting, and leveraging in unforeseen ways what has been encountered. More importantly, I cannot see how the proposed changes to cata would make it more favorable than it was previously. I think the proposed changes move it down to last in place. There is a fleet doctrine that works quite well in catas for those that care to go into catas. How will the proposed changes (and required doctrine changes) improve that? I cannot see it.

Your assumption about Black Holes low activity may be WRONG. Most WH PVP Is not by setting mutually agreed time and place for dueling.

Consider that maybe when PVP roams go to black holes they currently seldom find anybody to fight !!!

Most WH PVP is about roams for ambush tears or attempts at defending convoys or ISK making ops.
Maybe low PVP is due to no sleeper or site farmers settled in black holes. Is PVE farming harder or mining more difficult?

So if you make WH more interesting places to fight , that does not ensure lots more PVP will occur there if the chances of encountering other players remains the same.


Consider making Black Holes into WH systems that lots of convoys want to travel through.

(Convoys attract PVP roams due to value and flood of tears. People might even settle black holes as pirate bases!!! Meaning that black hole has people hanging around large amounts of time just looking for fights.)

How? One easy two step implementation is...

#1 Make Black Holes into WH space nexus points with say double the number of WH connections to other WH systems for class.
#2 Go one step further and give adjacent WH systems connected to black hole systems a greater chance of connecting to high sec or null sec.
Thus Null Sec folk can find shortcuts to high sec markets by traveling routes through Black hole systems.
Similarly higher class WH dwellers will also tend to find that routes to high sec markets pass through black holes systems.

Storywise you can say spinning black holes tend to generate or attract wh connections.


(Of course if you really just want to make it hard for bums to settle in WH systems - that is good too and you can ignore my observations. And despite the spin you would still be telling the true. Harder is simply harder and not forcing people out.)