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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Bookmarks and Bookmark Copying

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Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-08-06 18:15:21 UTC
yay \o/ kinda helps out alliance based wormhole corps but not really to the extent that they will stay together.

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Rook Mallard
Aperture Harmonics
#22 - 2014-08-06 18:15:43 UTC
+1
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#23 - 2014-08-06 18:17:02 UTC
Mandatory alliance bookmarks comment :)
Vindico Atris
Motus Est Infirmitas
#24 - 2014-08-06 18:44:01 UTC
Just the copying speed increase is welcome tbh, but this is a great change, no real feedback needed I'd say.
Kouzelny Dedecek
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-08-06 19:15:04 UTC
If you are going to implemnt alliance bookmarks, can I add to the wishlist for Fleet Bookmarks? These would be visible to all members of a fleet regardless of corp/alliance membership. Bookmarks copied into here would be visible to all members of the fleet. Once the last member leaves a fleet, all bookmarks could be removed from the system.


This would save the annoyance of jetcan passing of bookmarks during joint w-space operations.
Sanuki Sukuuvestaa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-08-06 19:15:58 UTC
As already mentioned, any upgrades to bookmarks is great for WH people..

So when you guys giving us alliance bookmarks then eh?!? ;)
Cirillith
Czarna-Kompania
Czarna-Kompania.
#27 - 2014-08-06 19:17:51 UTC
First of all - Thank you CCP Fozzie for publishing that Devblog.

Now to the point :)

This is very nice change.... and I will add here as a part of feedback one request:

Please make Alliance or Fleet bookmarks!!!! Any of those two will be OK - whatever needs less work - I know all of WH community is asking you for that and all will be most grateful for doing them.
Ziirn
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#28 - 2014-08-06 19:49:29 UTC
Yes, please work harder on those alliance BM's ;)
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2014-08-06 20:39:52 UTC
Fozzie, this should be in F&I, not just wormholes. Everyone uses bookmarks.
Lashara Ambramotte
Star Eagle Industrial Services
#30 - 2014-08-06 21:05:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lashara Ambramotte
Traiori wrote:
This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.

I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people.


I don't really live in W-Space, but I do support the idea of having alliance bookmarks. Also, relaxed restrictions on bookmark copying would be helpful for co-op and coalition arrangements in nullsec as well.

EDIT: One thing that I wish to add to the list is temporary bookmarks. Bookmarks that last roughly 48 hours or so which are removed at the second downtime after they are created. This will also help in reducing the workload of the individuals who help administer the bookmark lists in the corp/alliance.
Dark Armata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-08-06 23:17:42 UTC
Thankyou. Great work.

Much appreciated.

W-Space IS Best Space
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#32 - 2014-08-07 00:41:18 UTC
THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

Another related request.

When you open up a can you have a search bar at the top. So you can type in "J155555 -> J234567" and it will show only that bookmark. It would help me very much, in ways I don't really want to relate here, if you could make it so we could search for multiple objects and other more granular things. Here's some examples, because I'm not positive I'm explaining this correctly.

Lets say I have a can of bookmarks with names like 1a, 2b, 3c, 4d, 5e, etc.

I want to find the bookmarks for the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th wormhole. Right now I have to type in 2, take that bookmark, 3, take that bookmark, and 5, then that bookmark. It would be much better if I could search for
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"2b" [and] "3c" [and] "5e"


The quotations would ensure an exact match, so if you have a space in your bookmark name it would search for that exact name, you can also include functions such as [or] and [not], or use == and != if you want...

This example is really simple, but with a can full of 80 bookmarks it would make a HUGE difference. I've also forwarded the idea to Corbexx, speak to him more about it please.
Serith Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-08-07 00:43:27 UTC
Positive change, endorsed.

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Winthorp
#34 - 2014-08-07 00:56:13 UTC
Great work CCP, this will be your best expansion ever. Ship it.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#35 - 2014-08-07 02:37:19 UTC
Decent change, thanks
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-08-07 03:59:12 UTC
This one's the lowest impact and is a long time coming. Seem fine.

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Saavik Ambraelle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#37 - 2014-08-07 04:30:01 UTC
Good changes overall, not keen on the spawn ranges thing. That just kills rage rolling and rolling holes in general.

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unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-08-07 05:16:52 UTC
Ship it!

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-08-07 08:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Swidgen
Good change.

If you want to reduce server load for bookmarks, I suggest storing them all client-side. When the player makes a bookmark the server could generate an HMAC for the system id and xyz coordinates and send it back to the client where it's stored.

When a player wants to warp to a bookmark now I imagine the process goes like this:
client Warp To Bookmark -> send bookmark ID to server -> server DB QUERY to find location -> warp player ship to xyz

If they were stored client-side it would go like this instead:
client Warp To Bookmark -> send xyz and HMAC to server -> server authenticates HMAC -> warp player ship to xyz

If the HMAC verification code is faster than the database code (a big if, granted, I don't know your systems) then it's a big win for server cpu cycles and frees up all those sweet database rows for corp and alliance bookmark storage (they'd still need to be stored server-side for sharing).

HMACs ensure data integrity and authentication. Thus, pretty solid assurance that the bookmark really did originate on CCPs servers and not from a player trying to exploit the system by editing the xyz values for his local bookmark stash.

Just a thought. Maybe that's exactly what this new change is doing Cool
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#40 - 2014-08-07 10:14:18 UTC
Just give us alliance bookmarks.

Everything else is just a paper thin patch over a suppurating sore.

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