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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Bookmarks and Bookmark Copying

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Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-08-07 11:36:49 UTC
Not entirely sure why this is something feedback is needed over.

Do people regularly need to transfer more than 5 bookmarks at a time to a container for sharing to others? If so, there sounds like other issues that are not being addressed here, and this is a Band-aid to help something that needs a cast and traction. Still, I guess its an improvement?

That said, it's not like I needed better corp management interfaces. Or more functional POS code that didn't cause my own defenses to target me and unload when I just anchored it an hour ago. Or for my master wallet access to not be required for every industrial job by anyone in my corp/ Yeah, none of that is needed, really. But this bookmarks thing really feels important. Roll
Space Wanderer
#42 - 2014-08-07 12:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Space Wanderer
REMOVED: *wrong thread*
Shaklu
POS Party
Ember Sands
#43 - 2014-08-07 13:16:03 UTC
+1
Would also like to see the addition of creating BM "groups" somewhat like chat channels, so if you aren't in an alliance with someone, you can still create a shared folder(s) of bookmarks, and just add people or corps to have access to the group.
Orange Aideron
Singularity Surfers
#44 - 2014-08-07 13:31:11 UTC
+1

Copying faster is a good step in the right direction. We use bookmarks to label CHA tabs in different PoSes. Waiting for a bookmark copy sometimes was interesting.

On a side note, talking about work arounds to a bigger problem (fixing PoSes), could we have a nameable tag item that you place in a CHA tab to replace the bookmark trick? PHA just don't cut it for higher class wh groups (too small).

07
OJ
fightingblind
Strategically Bad
Trailer Park Illuminati
#45 - 2014-08-07 19:54:52 UTC
Shaklu wrote:
+1
Would also like to see the addition of creating BM "groups" somewhat like chat channels, so if you aren't in an alliance with someone, you can still create a shared folder(s) of bookmarks, and just add people or corps to have access to the group.


I think that sounds good. Could also have "fleet bookmarks" that everyone in fleet can access.
A Wrench
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-08-07 20:02:30 UTC
Bookmark Idea:

This is a reiteration of the request to have at least one or two bookmarks displayed on the overview. This may be the perfect example of a good use for "client side bookmarks" as Swidgen suggested (post #39).

When switching from one computer to another all the standard bookmarks would be available vis the right-click as always and the ones designated for Overview use whould have to be "reselected" or maybe recreated (dependining on implementation methods).
Rei Moon
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-08-07 20:06:55 UTC
+1

<3 Fozzy and CCP for this!

I luv u.

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#48 - 2014-08-07 20:33:32 UTC
Nothing bad to say about improving bookmark copying. Being in a single corp it's not as necessary. But still a good change.

That said - can we please have some improvement in the manner and time in which corp bookmarks update? It's very imprecise and really delays/messes with things in time critical scenarios.

I'm right behind you

Wingzero Mileghere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-08-07 21:29:30 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
Just give us alliance bookmarks.

Everything else is just a paper thin patch over a suppurating sore.


read the dev blog and you might notice that this change is a tie over to get to that point
Marox Calendale
Voices of War - Research and Production
Evictus.
#50 - 2014-08-08 08:17:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Marox Calendale
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it.

- Alliance Bookmarks (as you´re hopefully already working on)
- Fleet Bookmarks
- decreasing the delay when Corporation Bookmarks are distributed


Valenthe de Celine wrote:
Not entirely sure why this is something feedback is needed over.

Do people regularly need to transfer more than 5 bookmarks at a time to a container for sharing to others? If so, there sounds like other issues that are not being addressed here, and this is a Band-aid to help something that needs a cast and traction. Still, I guess its an improvement?

That said, it's not like I needed better corp management interfaces. Or more functional POS code that didn't cause my own defenses to target me and unload when I just anchored it an hour ago. Or for my master wallet access to not be required for every industrial job by anyone in my corp/ Yeah, none of that is needed, really. But this bookmarks thing really feels important. Roll

Not sure if this is a troll post or not, but if not I guess you never lived in a WH with an alliance or coalition. Sharing 40 - 50 Bookmarks is not a rare thing, if you do.
So I know certain people who say that this bookmark patch is the only important change CCP is providing with Hyperion.
Winthorp
#51 - 2014-08-08 08:26:08 UTC
I would really just love BM's to come with an expiry date/time. I am so lazy at deleting the old chain BM's.
Dawnel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-08-08 16:43:41 UTC
Radial menus for bookmarks for faster warping
Bookmarks in overview
Subfolders
Emmerik
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-08-08 17:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Emmerik
Only thing I whould like to see, is that you guys raise the cap on bookmarks.
I am at 16000 bookmarks and cant make anymore now :(

Or maybe make it so that we can export bookmarks to a file on our Computers... so we can make room in the bookmarklist. And when we need specific bookmarks we can import them again.
Jinn Aideron
#54 - 2014-08-08 23:14:33 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it.
While touching this, could the 'New Bookmark' window remember its position on screen between instances? That'd be so helpful!

Stealth deletes are bad.

Shelenaa
Project Valhalla.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2014-08-09 08:59:26 UTC
Emmerik wrote:
Only thing I whould like to see, is that you guys raise the cap on bookmarks.
I am at 16000 bookmarks and cant make anymore now :(

Or maybe make it so that we can export bookmarks to a file on our Computers... so we can make room in the bookmarklist. And when we need specific bookmarks we can import them again.


Ohhh, that whould be nice yes!
Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#56 - 2014-08-09 10:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alt Two
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it.

Brackets visible in space. With a per-bookmark toggle if it should be visible or not.
Edit: To prevent too much clutter, maybe limit it to only display bookmarks on the same grid as you.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#57 - 2014-08-09 11:32:39 UTC
I think one of the biggest improvements would be if sharing bookmarks didn't require the use of an actual object.

Corp bookmarks are great, and alliance bookmarks would be welcome, but it would be a huge step forward if we could link a bookmark in chat or in an evemail.
Col Deathstroke
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#58 - 2014-08-10 00:53:02 UTC
I find this entire bookmark sharing system very annoying. Yes, there have been some improvements made over the years, but there is only so much you can do to improve something that is flawed to begin with.

We are suppose to be in a distant future, with super advanced technologies at our disposal and the only way to share coordinates of a certain location with my fellow pilots is to dump them in some metal can and jettison it into space, and they all have to come pick it up?? Now thats just silly... sharing coordinates should be as easy as pressing a button.

There are number of ways how this could be done, to avoid making dozens and dozens of bookmark copies to share with others.

Yes, corporation bookmarks were nice, and alliance bookmarks would also improve the whole experience further.

Some already mentioned fleet bookmars, that would only be relevant to people on joint ops and would only last as long as the fleet is still active.

Others also mentioned drag & dropping them into chats, another good idea.

So efforts should be focused towards the ultimate goal of eliminating the need of bookmark copying entirely, and making it just a 1 click/drag job that only takes you couple seconds, and not having to waste 10-15 mins (or more) till everyone involved in the upcoming op (or simply day to day routine) has the required bookmarks.

Udonor
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-08-10 11:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Udonor
Viscis Breeze wrote:
Traiori wrote:
This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.

I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people.


This. If we wouldn't need to copy or have copy restrictions if we had alliance bookmarks.



agreed -- reduce the need to copy with more shared access of BMs (alliance ?or even fleet?)

multiple BM copies usually happen - not because all those BMs are needed now - but because opportunity to exchange is now and arranging another exchange will be time consuming and not timely.


Thus even adding more speedy and convenient exchange of copies by email might reduce blind mass copying of BMs simply because two toons are currently close enough to swap BMs. But shared access storage is the best solution.

Fleet shared BMs would of course help WH PVP roam fleets. I realize that such shares might NOT be technically feasible at this time. Still maybe overview tagging or some other fleet sharing mechanism can be extended as an implementation vehicle.
Udonor
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-08-10 11:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Udonor
Col Deathstroke wrote:
I find this entire bookmark sharing system very annoying. Yes, there have been some improvements made over the years, but there is only so much you can do to improve something that is flawed to begin with.

We are suppose to be in a distant future, with super advanced technologies at our disposal and the only way to share coordinates of a certain location with my fellow pilots is to dump them in some metal can and jettison it into space, and they all have to come pick it up?? Now thats just silly... sharing coordinates should be as easy as pressing a button.

There are number of ways how this could be done, to avoid making dozens and dozens of bookmark copies to share with others.

Yes, corporation bookmarks were nice, and alliance bookmarks would also improve the whole experience further.

Some already mentioned fleet bookmars, that would only be relevant to people on joint ops and would only last as long as the fleet is still active.

Others also mentioned drag & dropping them into chats, another good idea.

So efforts should be focused towards the ultimate goal of eliminating the need of bookmark copying entirely, and making it just a 1 click/drag job that only takes you couple seconds, and not having to waste 10-15 mins (or more) till everyone involved in the upcoming op (or simply day to day routine) has the required bookmarks.



eh drop and drag is just UI means for copying

still I like the idea for more convenient JIT copying of BMs

as opposed to can or ships meeting in space to exchange every possible BM when most the time 90% are never used.
LOL - and half the time you end up still missing the one you need (like T2 wrecks to loot and salvage after everyone else left)