Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Guess what happens to your tank then?

Muninn being a ship with bonuses on range, has always been a sniping ship.
To fit it with 720's you basicly cant use armor but have to resort to shields.
3 Mids for a shield ship is ridicilous.

Remove the useless high-slot and give the Muninn the hard needed 4th midslot.

Its supposed to be a sniper but does a pretty lousy job. Hurricane does it better much cheaper. Munnin's optimal is about 27km, where as the next lowest for HACs is pulse lasers with scorch at 40km on the zealot. Yea, yea, falloff.. but why does every other long range HAC get to 40km at optimal, cept the muninn. Once you factor in falloff, a 450dps muninn is only doing 150-200dps at 40km. Or over 200dps with tremor out to 90km (ooh, scary). Its slower than everything except the eagle, optimal is meh, applied damage past optimal is also pretty meh.

Id be willing to lose drones, keep utility high and maybe add 1 mid, possibly 2 if they drop a low. That way for anti frig you neut/web your way out, and since it has mids i can actually use more than 1 TE to help range. If someone thinks 5 mids on minny t2 is OP, look at sac. It has 5 lows, and a resist bonus for amarr t2 resists! Muninn has no defense bonus, so can we get some more mids that actually benefit minny t2 resist profile?

So I guess the Vaga remains as crippled as it is now.

Let's completely ignore balancing the Zealot because people in nullsec use it. Must be a good ship

You are not going to hold a sniper solo. They will just warp off. This goes for both the Ishtar and Eagle.

So a HAC should be worse than a ABC?

I'm going to assume it is to prevent from being alpha hit off the field. That is not my fit btw. All it takes is a scram and the Ishtar is no longer faster.

So, I like the "half tracking of sentries idea", or at least lower their tracking to be similar to their long range counterparts. Against reducing damage as a battleship weapon, since that would only effectively hurt the domi.

In conjunction, I also like the idea of reducing ishtar bandwidth to 100 and lowering heavy bandwidth to 20. ( I'd also like to see the proteus get 125 bandwidth, but could be happy with 100 alone if the heavy change to 20 went through. )

Question though:

If you remove the sentry bonuses on the ishtar outright, what do you replace them with? Mediums and lights on an ishtar are already powerful enough to break most any frig. If you bonus them, you'll set up ishtars to be tackle annihilators on small gangs.

Heavies on an ishtar do enough damage and have enough tracking to seriously dunk on cruisers, battlecruisers, and BSes. So bonusing them further would put them damned near where ishtars are now. Except unlike now where you have a drone blob that is stationary and wrecks around the field, you'll end up with a drone cloud that follows you anywhere and wrecks you're ****. It makes smartbombing viable, but most traditional fits don't rely on smartbombs.

Ishtar is about the only ship bonused for two different weapon systems in this way. What do you give them to make up for loss of sentry bonuses?

The Ishtar is only bonused for drones. You are essentially wanting to remove the Ishtar from the game.