Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No!

And if you would have checked for its novelty you would have found out, how exploitable it is for example suicide ganking of target ships for massive aoe in front of the jita undock... if I were to mention only one here.

Yes it should happen. There's already PVE contents that gives off AOE damage on explosion. Saying no to AOE damage drome from a ship exploding because of a few high sec situational examples is not only cheap but also a weak state of mind.

This is something that should be in the game.

Or the fact that a suicide fleet of -insert cheap ship here- could be limpeted to supercapitals and then suicide on the count of whatever in order to provide massive alpha and take down a super/titan for far too little effort.

Woah! Along with it being a massive blow to blobs and adding a layer of strategy to PvP, you're promising Caps and Titans exploding all over the place??! That sounds amazingly awesome, make it happen.

Yeah, it was only an example, but once you read Jita, it's Jita, Jita, Jita .. keep fighting the strawman. Maybe any of you bother to check the other threads in this regard - cause this is just a repost, nothing new.

And besides that, this is kind of a repost of your own open thread with a little edit. Shame on you.

Lets favour kiting ships and screw over brawling ships.

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Hey, here is an idea to give all of you yay-sayers an incentive to try this glorious idea ... how you all meat up and just fit smart bombs in every ship. Then come back and tell me how your experience was so far. From 0.0 to High. Then feel free to post here about your: "yeah, long needed", "yey, great idea", "yey we love this".

If that's too difficult how about adding just one smartbomb to each ship and just spamm it when you go into structure. - Again, I am curious about your experience.

And then explain to me why I need this too.

The alpha strike would be a bit less than a DD, but for subcaps yeah; it's be pretty stupidly huge, but it'd be pretty easy to know when/if it's going to go down in short order, so most people would be able to go out of the way before it explodes. That being said, I'm pretty sure most people would be ok with losing their ship if it means a titan kill tho, although capital ships more or less wouldn't get alpha'd off the field when the titan's core goes critical. They'd be more concerned about their fighters, tho.

The difference between smartbombs and the mechanic I'm describing are that you have quite a bit of fair warning when a ship is going to explode, and the damage and range scaling is not in the least bit economical to use for ganking, since as I stated before the dps would be less than a volley of smartbombs, and the issue with hisec ganking you seem to be stuck on is Concord not being fast enough on the button. In an ideal setting, it would be balanced so you wouldn't be able to initiate combat with someone you're not at war with or you don't have a dual with since, you know, that's how virtually EVERY other MMO in existence deals with separating their PVP and PVE.

That being said, I could care less how hisec pvp works since I do most of my work in lowsec. So let's cover what it is that you seem to be concerned about:

-Undocks can get the crap pipe bombed out of them, and gankers will be more effective.
This point is moot anyway since if you get caught on the undock by gankers, you're dead anyway. If it's a little bit quicker, what does it matter if you're pointed anyway? If you had half a brain you'd bookmark an instawarp bookmark like everyone else does on their trade hubs or the stations they base out of, and deal with random ganks like the next egger. It's really not that hard, and this mechanic wouldn't change how that goes for both parties involved significantly.

-This unfairly penalizes brawlers; they would be forced to take damage that the kiters don't have to.
Yes, which is why brawlers in general tend to have higher buffer tanks. The reason people don't pipe bomb with medium smartbombs is because they really don't do enough alpha to be useful for their intended purpose, and the same would go for battlecruiser down with core explosions aynway. Sure if you're in deep hull and you get caught in the blast radius you've got a problem, but this can easily be solved with a timer for the ship to explode after it's defeated to give combatants enough time to get away. You can have said timer increase with the size of the ship to easily negate this problem, and do away with that problem unless you're really f*cking slow and heavily armor tanked, in which case you likely won't get blown up by the ensuing explosion anyway.

-It is unnecessary and impractical to implement.
Actually, it helps with nerfing blobs and power projection somewhat, which is a major issue facing the game. Larger fleets of battleship and above that are clustered together would have this as a stacking risk as their numbers go up; once they start going down the chain reaction of having massive, several kilometer-long capital ships exploding violently around them helps accelerate the collapse of the fleet once it starts going down, so at the very least it will help big cap fleet fights resolve faster, which I'm sure everyone would say is a good thing.

OMG please stop suggesting things that will give the hamsters yet more heart attacks. There is already enough AOE processes being handled by the node, especially in a big fleet fight...why would you want to add more? I don't love TIDI that much.