Wormholes

call me helplessly optimistic. as disappointed as I am, I'm already imagining the Rorqual's comeback. It's gotta be something epic after such a hard nerf to what little utility it has left. I'll just have to take my Rorqual gameplay elsewhere in the meantime, I guess. Shame on me for trying to make it work in a wh.

not very reassuring that it shares the fate of my phoenix pilot who I spent so long training to perfect skills. people told me it was a bad idea and I should have listened.

but i mean, I figured the rorq would be safe from nerfs due to its specialized role. wrong again.

Pot. Kettle.


This is why my corp and I prefer low-class w-space, specifically C2/HS/C4, and is why we have seen many high-class groups leave high-class space. Maybe we're a little more wreckless than other groups -- we certainly don't have a perfect efficiency -- but when we see a fleet we think we can handle, we will go for it, win or lose. If this means jumping into their home, we'll do that. If it means only fighting until they land their capitals on grid, we'll do that too.

If we know we have more numbers and think we can bait them to get them to commit something else that they might not have brought otherwise, we'll do that. If we know we don't have many numbers at all, and can't fight our targets head on, especially in their home system, we'll hop in for a small skirmish and run before we are overwhelmed.

Most of the time people are SO risk averse that they won't follow a small fleet that just polarized itself because obviously there are far, far more on the other side waiting to pounce. They rarely think people have the balls to jump a small fleet into a much larger one without major backup. We've kicked several C5 corps in the nuts and then run away like this. It's pretty good one-sided fun, though understandably frustrating for the other side :)

If mechanics changed such that you jump into a fleet and land everywhere on grid, smaller groups can't engage larger groups on the hole. They, we, only engage when massively outnumbered because we can jump and try to get away while the other side has to wonder if we're just a bait fleet or if we are everything, while we try to shoot whatever we can. If we land everywhere within 40k from the hole, we'll just die. People won't do that for very long. Little by little, with their changes CCP is removing gameplay options from W-space.


Maybe we're doing everything wrong. We don't usually rage-roll, but instead scan our W-space static chain and then jump out our hisec static and start scanning surrounding systems for wormholes. A new hisec means a whole new fresh avenue to explore; why would we need to rage-roll unless we're looking for a specific hisec destination? Our mapper has some beautiful chains sometimes, even if it does take effort. But when we do want to roll, whether to find PvP or to find PvE, increasing the time it takes doesn't accomplish anything and only adds tedium, as already has been mentioned.

I've already said this change won't affect us much, because aside from doing it wrong by using combat-fit ships for rolling instead of stabby jammy Scorpions when we're not rolling a fresh hole with Orcas, we generally use battleships and cruisers. We'll be able to adjust easily. But the guys in C5/C6 will have a harder time adjusting. Smaller corps will have an even harder time in any class of W-space. "Use Cruisers", sure, but +/- 10% is a big variation that Cruisers can't cover. That's more than Battleships in 3 bil holes.


Besides, the biggest justification for this change so far seems to be "Waah, they're not playing the game the way I want because they rage roll, or because they instantly close their holes for (insert reason)! CCP change it!" That is simultaneously the most amusing aspect of this thread, but also the saddest aspect of this thread.

I went back through his posts, and at no time does he say that.

He does ask for people to give reasons on their feedback, which is perfectly fair.

Wormhole mechanics are the absolute heart of the gameplay in J-space, and their 'iteration' approach is to just drive a sword through it and see who screams.

If this was null, they would pluck a stray hair from somewhere near the gameplay, study it under a microscope for 10 months. create spreadsheets and analyze them with a committee for 10 more months, and then finally: do nothing.

http://i.imgur.com/hPQktFT.png plz

Perfectly predictable rolling has always been ********.

Numbers need tweaking and testing, and this should most probably be connected with other changes like for example total number of wormhole systems, number of statics and random wormhole spawns.

In other words, I support changes that increase risk and interaction between wormhole inhabitants, whether this change as presented achieves those goals is currently debatable- but the general direction is certainly right.

Along with cynos, also please add this feature to station undocking, and end 11 years of terrible station games.

The reason why fighting in a wolf-rayet is always an awesome idea. 15j from home? Take the crowfleet.

If you want to call me out that's fine, but two can play that game so. Please point out where I said this? If you can't I'll expect an apology

Also please dont try and paraphrase me cos that sort of **** pisses me off.

I've posted what I think on this, I'm not to happy about it like most people, will I be discussing it with CCP, yes.

Which is why I also asked for people to be constructive and post what they think on this as that can also potentially help me.

Now if you mean this.



This isn't me.

Should I expect the apology here or in the mail?

I'm starting to suspect that there was a mistake in my original post, what I meant was indeed that post you linked. If you scroll up you can see I was discussing it with Andrew Jester.
I am going back to check my original post now to fix it
Edit: I see where the misunderstandings where happening, I was referencing the "Winthrop for CSM" line, not trying to pin anything on corbexx.