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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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lord xavier
Rubbed Out
#221 - 2014-07-30 22:39:01 UTC
13 nonames wrote:
I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police


"No more mean people in high sec please. How are we suppose to make money?!"
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#222 - 2014-07-30 23:56:58 UTC
I'd like to see ABC123 & Sentence Structering for Dummies implemented in to the client. I feel this is more important than what the OP wants.

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#223 - 2014-07-31 00:47:07 UTC
at least it's not semi-colons instead of apostrophes heh

Thank me later :D
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#224 - 2014-07-31 02:50:04 UTC
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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#225 - 2014-08-01 14:14:09 UTC
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:
a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing


Security status is an abritray, stupid number. It has absolutely no impact until you want to do something in hi-sec.

That statement seems ironic - but consider this: Most hi-sec content is boring and uneventful. It's sub par compared to the effort that's been put into 0.0 gameplay mechanics. However the PEOPLE that play eve MAKE hi-sec interesting... so all security status does is, effectively, curtail who you can play the game with.

That's MMO suicide - so selling tags for sec saves subscriptions.
Iain Cariaba
#226 - 2014-08-02 15:53:57 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
I have this nagging feeling that, somehow, our logic and reasoning has fallen on deaf ears. This makes me sad.

The question, "Why did you start playing Eve?" comes to mind.

No doubt about the logic on deaf ears bit.

The real queston is this: Before you started playing EvE, did you bother to do any research at all about the kind of game you were getting into or did you just say, "durr, shiney spaceships fun," and start an account?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#227 - 2014-08-02 22:46:55 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
I have this nagging feeling that, somehow, our logic and reasoning has fallen on deaf ears. This makes me sad.

The question, "Why did you start playing Eve?" comes to mind.

No doubt about the logic on deaf ears bit.

The real queston is this: Before you started playing EvE, did you bother to do any research at all about the kind of game you were getting into or did you just say, "durr, shiney spaceships fun," and start an account?


I honestly don't think the latter is possible. I have met very few MMO players who haven't ever heard of EVE. And of those, it's mostly because they have only just started playing MMOs in general, and think that WoW and GW2 and LOTRO are the only ones that exist.

If someone genuinely doesn't know what they're getting into when they sign up, that requires a level of ignorance that is truly hard to maintain.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2014-08-03 02:10:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
I have this nagging feeling that, somehow, our logic and reasoning has fallen on deaf ears. This makes me sad.

The question, "Why did you start playing Eve?" comes to mind.

No doubt about the logic on deaf ears bit.

The real queston is this: Before you started playing EvE, did you bother to do any research at all about the kind of game you were getting into or did you just say, "durr, shiney spaceships fun," and start an account?


I honestly don't think the latter is possible. I have met very few MMO players who haven't ever heard of EVE. And of those, it's mostly because they have only just started playing MMOs in general, and think that WoW and GW2 and LOTRO are the only ones that exist.

If someone genuinely doesn't know what they're getting into when they sign up, that requires a level of ignorance that is truly hard to maintain.


Sorry to disappoint, but until December 2012 I'd never heard of EVE. I had signed onto the Star Citizen kickstarter and was reading more about it when i came across references to EVE. Signed up for the trial, thought EVE was pretty cool. Then got podded in hisec by an evil pirate and realized then that EVE was like no game I'd ever played before and also just might be the best game I'd ever played.

I played Star Trek Online, SWTOR, and GW2, but never much looked at 3rd party sites so I never heard about EVE. I wish EVE had planetary missions like STO, spaceships and avatar gameplay are not mutually exclusive, but I was right: EVE is the best game I've ever played. I hope CCP doesn't mess it up by giving in to the carebears.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#229 - 2014-08-03 02:17:57 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:

Sorry to disappoint, but until December 2012 I'd never heard of EVE. I had signed onto the Star Citizen kickstarter and was reading more about it when i came across references to EVE. Signed up for the trial, thought EVE was pretty cool. Then got podded in hisec by an evil pirate and realized then that EVE was like no game I'd ever played before and also just might be the best game I'd ever played.

I played Star Trek Online, SWTOR, and GW2, but never much looked at 3rd party sites so I never heard about EVE. I wish EVE had planetary missions like STO, spaceships and avatar gameplay are not mutually exclusive, but I was right: EVE is the best game I've ever played. I hope CCP doesn't mess it up by giving in to the carebears.


O_O

Well, that's the first time I've heard of SC drawing people into EVE, as opposed to the other way around.

Agreed with the general sentiment, however.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#230 - 2014-08-04 22:22:10 UTC
Damn Goons...

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2014-08-04 22:55:10 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
I have this nagging feeling that, somehow, our logic and reasoning has fallen on deaf ears. This makes me sad.

The question, "Why did you start playing Eve?" comes to mind.

No doubt about the logic on deaf ears bit.

The real queston is this: Before you started playing EvE, did you bother to do any research at all about the kind of game you were getting into or did you just say, "durr, shiney spaceships fun," and start an account?

Personally, I came in knowing full well what I wanted from this game, which is why I've been in nullsec for most of my active played time.
Yes, I know you didn't ask me, but still...
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#232 - 2014-08-05 21:13:19 UTC
An interesting notion comes to mind with all this talk of -0.5 and balancing actions against criminal elements. Why is there no counter balancing force for people who are +0.5?

Maybe make it so that concord won't respond to such paragons of truth and justice. The actual new players need their help and all that so those who've worked against piracy long enough to get to +0.5 can stand on their own two feet right?

Seems as legit as having concord jump on -0.5 just for being there. And then you'll see the ironic "anti gank" alt for the hardest of bears to keep their sec status down
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#233 - 2014-08-06 10:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Froggy Storm wrote:
An interesting notion comes to mind with all this talk of -0.5 and balancing actions against criminal elements. Why is there no counter balancing force for people who are +0.5?

Maybe make it so that concord won't respond to such paragons of truth and justice. The actual new players need their help and all that so those who've worked against piracy long enough to get to +0.5 can stand on their own two feet right?

Seems as legit as having concord jump on -0.5 just for being there. And then you'll see the ironic "anti gank" alt for the hardest of bears to keep their sec status down

Thing is, you've only gotta get a few rookie ships blown up by shooting a station to drop your sec status. No work, just a time sink.

Not that I'm suggesting this, but it actually makes more sense for concord to come to the aid of an upstanding citizen more quickly.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#234 - 2014-08-06 10:55:53 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
An interesting notion comes to mind with all this talk of -0.5 and balancing actions against criminal elements. Why is there no counter balancing force for people who are +0.5?

Maybe make it so that concord won't respond to such paragons of truth and justice. The actual new players need their help and all that so those who've worked against piracy long enough to get to +0.5 can stand on their own two feet right?

Seems as legit as having concord jump on -0.5 just for being there. And then you'll see the ironic "anti gank" alt for the hardest of bears to keep their sec status down


You have actually had some pretty smart ideas through the forums

+1

A True Champion of High Security Space
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#235 - 2014-08-06 13:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
Not going to happen with loop holes and the fact that CCP itself is making the gankers. People also seems to think that Ganking ships is an isksink, all it does is move isk from the gankee to the industrialist, not removing it from the game. Now however if most of the market was to be switched to NPC distribution buying and selling, then you would have isk removal.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Damon Messer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#236 - 2014-08-06 13:11:46 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
An interesting notion comes to mind with all this talk of -0.5 and balancing actions against criminal elements. Why is there no counter balancing force for people who are +0.5?

Maybe make it so that concord won't respond to such paragons of truth and justice. The actual new players need their help and all that so those who've worked against piracy long enough to get to +0.5 can stand on their own two feet right?

Seems as legit as having concord jump on -0.5 just for being there. And then you'll see the ironic "anti gank" alt for the hardest of bears to keep their sec status down


so if I have 0.5 or higher sec standing i can gank without concord coming?! if that happens you're the first person im going after.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#237 - 2014-08-07 02:28:44 UTC
Damon Messer wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
An interesting notion comes to mind with all this talk of -0.5 and balancing actions against criminal elements. Why is there no counter balancing force for people who are +0.5?

Maybe make it so that concord won't respond to such paragons of truth and justice. The actual new players need their help and all that so those who've worked against piracy long enough to get to +0.5 can stand on their own two feet right?

Seems as legit as having concord jump on -0.5 just for being there. And then you'll see the ironic "anti gank" alt for the hardest of bears to keep their sec status down


so if I have 0.5 or higher sec standing i can gank without concord coming?! if that happens you're the first person im going after.


That isn't exactly what I said, but I like your idea better. Let's really make the sec grind worth it if you can then gank one target with impunity.

As for ganking me, you'll have to wait as were currently deployed to the south. But when that's done with vale is only a dozen gates or so from Jita and you're welcome to come say hello.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#238 - 2014-08-07 13:02:56 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
NIFTYGetAtMe wrote:
I only agree with a couple things in this thread. On grid CONCORD should absolutely agress criminals below a certain sec status, CONCORD response/kill time should be decreased and criminals below a certain sec status should not be able to dock at race controlled staions in high-sec; for example, Caldari Stations in Jita. Ganking should still be a part of the game and criminals, no matter their sec status, should still be allowed in high-sec and should still be a free target for anyone.



The reason you're getting so much resistance against these ideas is because they are bad. Actually, they're not just bad, they're offensive to many of the denizens of New Eden, and flat out heretical to those who truly believe in HTFU.

I'd suggest stepping down from the soapbox, taking the pants off your head, and repenting wholeheartedly for embracing such nonsense.

Who knows, it might even save your virtual life. It surely won't save the life of the next bear I murder in response to this inane tripe.


Good lord, I'm quoting myself. No matter, it's relevant. NIFTYGetAtMe, for your ever so bad, heretical, (and did I mention bad?) suggestions/demands in this thread, a carebear has been ritually sacrificed in your name.

2014.08.07 12:28:00

Victim: anonymous victim bear
Corp: Federal Navy Academy
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Orthrus
System: Oursulaert
Security: 0.9
Damage Taken: 22451

Involved parties:

Name: Omar Alharazaad (laid the final blow)
Security: 5.00
Corp: Lords.Of.Midnight
Alliance: The Devil's Warrior Alliance
Faction: None
Ship: Incursus
Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II
Damage Done: 18556

Name: Angel Light Missile Battery / Unknown
Damage Done: 3895

Destroyed items:

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile, Qty: 60
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile, Qty: 4448 (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile, Qty: 60
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Avrue's Token (Cargo)
Navy Cap Booster 100, Qty: 8
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile, Qty: 60

Dropped items:

Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Small I-a Polarized Armor Regenerator (Cargo)
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile, Qty: 61
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile, Qty: 61
Damage Control I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Heavy Assault Missile Launcher

Have a nice day.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#239 - 2014-08-07 13:35:07 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
*Self-congratulatory post*
Doesn't look like a gank.

And when are you guys going to learn that nobody cares about this whole "kill it forward" rubbish you guys spew. In essence, (not sure about this case as I haven;t bothered reading the thread) it's a sign that someone has raised a good point, since you can;t counter the point and instead want to force people not to post by suggesting that you'll gank more if they keep talking (which you won't, since you'd kill those people anyway).

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#240 - 2014-08-07 13:43:18 UTC
You are correct. We do not gank. We, on the other hand, do support the rights of others to gank. We will happily murder anyone who screams bloody murder over the unfairness of ganking... and barring the capacity to do that, we will murder someone else in their name. And to counterpoint, there are those who absolutely do care about the 'rubbish' we spew, you, for example... for if you didn't give 1/16th of a rats arse about it, you wouldn't have bothered posting. Aside from that, about 1/4th of those who I do engage are interested in what it is that we do... not only those who are defeated, but I've also had some pleasant conversations with pilots who have destroyed me.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.