Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah, but being entirely fair here Gal drone boats are mostly dps oriented. Whereas Amarr drone boats are ewar oriented, prophecy aside. Claiming that amarr should pack the same firepower is kind of missing the point. This is like saying the Rokh should have the same damage as a mega, or that an Abaddon should have the same active tank as a Hyperion.

Thing is, the ishtar does have the same DPS as an Armageddon. Better dps application sure, but you can fit out an Armageddon to be similar to an ishtar or Domi, at least for PvE. In EFT right now I'm looking at a geddon fit ( I don't fly amarr, spare me) that is shield tanked at 863 serp dps, does 981 dps ( a hair short of my old highsec mission domi ) with gardes/cruise, and cap lasts 11 minutes or so. ( Cap stability is overrated. My domi never was either. ) .

For PvP though, if you are really going to argue this, you have to weigh out the difference of neuts vs raw damage. That is very situational. A shield tanked ishtar does indeed get as much or maybe more dps than a geddon. However I think comparing the two like that is flawed.





I'm putting my bets on the Deimos, Eagle, and Cerb.

HACS all get better resists.
Deimos vs Brutix for brawling, deimos lower sig, higher resists, more bonuses to weapons. Honestly it would come down to pilot skill differences, implants, boosters, and most of all who runs out of cap charges first. Considering it will be harder for the brutix to apply damage, if they each pulse reps properly I'm leaning deimos after a long slugfest.

Kiting, neither the deimos or brutix can really do much to each other.

Eagle and Ferox? Kiting situation, neither has a load of dps to unload on one another. However the eagle is faster, smaller, has better resists, and can probably go blow for blow in bonuses and rails with the ferox. Eagle has an advantage. Brawling? The eagle gets more optimal and damage while retaining better resists, smaller sig, and more speed. So long as they are both moving/trying to move, I'm putting bets on the eagle.

Cerb vs drake, are you even kidding? Drake dps application is so pitiful here that it isn't even funny. In a kiting situation the cerb has all the speed, the sig, the resists and damage application it will ever need. Let's not forget almost 70km HAMS being a possibility. But you don't even need to go there because the cerb could kite much closer ranges. The cerb's speed alone is enough to mitigate most of the drake's dps.



Can't say as I don't fly them. I do intend on cross training into either min or amarr next.




This one actually depends. You take a multi rep cap boosted exile myrm with 2 geckos and even an ishtar might have issues 1v1. Kiting is best option here for the ishtar, but up close neuts/nos might become a problem. No pvp ishtar can overpower a myrm's active reps though, not until it runs out of cap, even without boosters.

well We dont do ganking neither station baiting ( except when reallly bord on bad timeznes when someone might wait for dumb people at jita).> And we make hundreds of billions of kills high se conly.

There is good pvp in high sec... just there is nto enough peopel that want to pvp.

Ok first to react on the changes from the first post :
None of the Hac changes will have a major impact. The only Hac that will realy feel the speed change is the muninn and make it less sucky maybe it will even make it more popular.On a side note : The munin is if you follow the slot layout a armor tanker .. but practicly imposible to fit as such (and pretty much useless as such) , and as a shield tank ist very vulnerable , maybe the additional speed (and maybe also added agility ?) might address this but not sure...

The Eagle has good tank and range ... but to make a blaster fit or mwds a viable option even abit more speed is needed, imho atleast.

Now the Ishtar: Many complain that the ishtar does upto 750 dps on 40 km .. well deimos can do it too and cerbs too so thats not the issue , the truth is the ishtar isnt at 40 km when its landing these blows but usualy far further away, and the drones that do the damage also arent right ontop of you where you could smartbomb them they are usualy the said 40 km away but are *5 the amount of ishtars on field .
Theres no easy way to solve this as drones are designed to fight it out while the controler sits far away and watches (like fighter aircraft or ...well drones).
To kill the ishtar spam you could just make it a mobile drone (as in light med and heavy) boat (wich would kinda bring it inline with missles just with the diference that the drones once they are at the target stay around) bringing 1-2 smartbomber isnt a issue ,for larger fleets atleast especialy when they can cut the enemys dps to 0 . Also you canot have your mobile drones everywhere on the battlefield wich is the case with sentrys .
Second Option : Make the Ishtar slower , and by that easyer to hit for battleship guns.


Finaly the Tempest: Making the Tempest a Armor tanker (8/4/7) would be quiet sad as minmatar would only have the slow and clumsy mael around for shield dutys. I dont think the slotlayout is the problem , its more factor like speed and agility and max dps that make phoons or other bs more desirable. The only plus it really has are the 2 utility slots.

I like that balancing is going on however as writen above most changes are actually not changing anything for real. I hope CCP can soon role out the recon and/or tech3 rebalance , as well as another look at capitals in general .

how about this

the 10% to drone damage and hitpoints does not affect sentries

that way each sentry is going from 74 dps to 50 dps....

so basically you reduce the ishtar dps by 1/3.

or in other terms an ishtar with 3 drone damage amps II and 5 bouncer II goes from 620 dps 2479 volley to 413 dps 1653 volley

that and i would separate the drone bay from the fighter bay on carriers.

make the drone bay like 500m3 and make it so the "can deploy 1 additional drone or fighter per level" to "can deploy one additional fighter per level"

also make it so drone control units are changed names to "fighter launching bay"

and change the mod description to adds one additional fighter or fighter bomber to be launched.

that way you can use up to 15 fighters or 5 drones

edit:
for battleships like the dominix and Armageddon i would add sentries to the hull bonus because battleships are supposed to have more damage then cruisers.

It's been mentioned before and is worth mentioning again: remove sentry drones from all classes but battleships and higher.

It gets used a lot in our neck of the woods because it can project over 500 dps out to about 30km while having an insane (guardian resists plus more buffer) tank. It's in a fine place right now, and if it got a dps buff it would need to lose the tank bonus or it would be stupidly OP.

Dunno if it was mentioned here, but the most interesting idea in so far as nerfing ishtar i heard was 100mbit bandwidth plus a bonus to heavies that keep them at 7.5 effective.

As for nerfing sentrys overall, dunno, make them invincible, orbit me while im mwding around and we can talk about projection.

(Should have gone missiles, a cerb can have 800dps out to 40 or 600 out to 120 and noone beats an eye.)

...and it would have no med slots to spare, while a fleet of sacs easily eccm casts and remote sebos all their guardians, paints and points the targets, webs stuff that comes close and has neuts to deal with enemy logi.

It is clear that you haven't faced/participated in a properly flown sacfleet. Sac is more than fine and I'd even say it is the next fotm thing if ishtar gets beaten by the nerfbat of doom.

Dear Rise,

Is it possible to shift Muninn more into armor arty role? For example changing RoF bonus to damage bonus (yes, reducing the DPS) and increasing PG by 10% (or even 15%).

Adjust drone sizes and bandwidth:
- small 5 m3 /mb
- medium 10m3 /mb
- heavy 20m3 /mb
- sentry 25m3 /mb

Adjust Isthar to have only 100 mb.
This should be enough to brake ~ Isthars , isthars everywhere!

1 Sentry drone less will cut 1/5 of current 800-900 dps and it will put them in line with others hacs.

This can be also good time to brake the ceptor fleets , by creating some viable counter or ship dedicated for killing them.
Sorry CCP , intentions where good , but ceptor gangs are fun only for one side , as it is hard to fight with them.

Create or ~rebalance a ship, capable of killing them.

My suggestion.
Osprey Navy Issue ( no one is using it)
- 50 % damage to light missiles (not rapid) per caldari cruiser level
- 10% to kinetic missile damage per level
- 50 % of missile speed per level
or other stats making killing fast moving small targets viable.


So something capable of killing interceptors fast enough and available also to new players.

Giving the ishtar 4 sentries instead of 5 will make the 30-40 man fleets move to 40-50 and solve very little indeed.