Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like how this thread started out as 'a few minor tweaks' and has turned into 'go back to the drawing board and start again'. lol.

Amarr get less drones brandwich but get EWAR bonus, except the Prophecy.
The Ishtar is Gallente, can launch has many drone as a Dominix and more than an Armageddon and and has the same drone bay than the Armageddon

Resist bonus is comparable to active tank bonus, one being for fleet, the other for solo and small gang.

The Prophecy was used in fleet due to it's resist bonus but now people have figured that's it's better to go full gank with Ishtar, with the smaller sig radius and better speed, you don't even lose that much tanking ability.

Limit Cruisers to heavies, only Battleship and up should be able to use sentries. Enough of this reign. Every nulsec entity is tired of flying Ishtars / being forced into them to compete in the larger meta.

Sentries are fine as a battleship weapon system. They cap at out a max of less than 800 dps up to only ~50km, with no higher damage option for shorter range. At longer ranges they're down below that. They're also locked into particular damage types at a given range--there's no long-range thermal option, and there's no high-damage explosive option, for example.

The problem is when you put sentries on a cruiser. Sure, drones are meant to be versatile, but it's still fundamentally giving that cruiser battleship-level DPS.

The problem with not allowing cruisers to use sentries is that non-sentry drones are in a fairly bad place right now. They look fine on paper, but in game they're slow to switch targets and very vulnerable to dying (especially to NPCs). Look at the Gila--in order to make medium drones viable they had to buff them up so that the flight of mediums does the damage of a flight of heavies.

then why use them instead of 1400mm?

No ammo, no fittings required, do not reload, ecm immune Track disruption immune..
a LOT of advantages....

Yeah, and assuming we both stick around to brawl, my solo pvp deimos will chew through a Talos. Assuming the Talos kites, he can't apply dps properly and simply cannot kill me. Comparing HACs to BCs is useless. The cerb surpasses the drake. The myrm might have sheer dps tank on an ishtar, but loses in terms of raw firepower. Something something minmatar hac vs min BC. ( I don't fly them).

The ishtar sports the 5 drone configuration because that is the appeal. An Ishkur does really well compared to most frigates too. The only reason it isn't used as a fleet doctrine is probably a lack of small sentry drones. Hilariously a Harpy fleet is basically a fleet of small sentry drones on an anchor.

I'm not suggesting the prophecy doesn't possibly need some love to be useful. I'm saying that removing flavor and differences to do so is bad.

And what are you talking about when you say the Armageddon cannot field as many drones as an ishtar? It has 125 bandwidth. It has to, because for a battleship that would be crippling. In exchange, it has the same bay as the domi. The difference between them is domi gets tracking/optimal bonuses and Geddon gets neuts.

If anything, I'd suggest removing the resist bonus and giving them the neut bonus that other Amarr drone ships get.

Gotta leave everyone a change to finish hopping on the bandwagon while it's still a good one to hop on. Think of all the people training Gallente cruiser V right now.

because someof the last ships they nerfed explicitly simply disappeared from eve, like rupture (nerfed when compared to the other cruisers larger buffs) sttaber fleet issues (same thing) etc...

Because I like graphs and because I think the eagle need more love.

Here is a dps comparison of both ships with similar equipment.
http://imgur.com/0domEE7

Note that the Eagle is significantly tankier than the Ishtar, lets say a bit less than 20% more EHP on a typical buffer fit, this can be considered balanced with the Ishtar increased damage.

At further range, when the ishtar swap drones and the eagle swap ammo, the difference is much more in favor of the Ishtar.
http://imgur.com/OLV3XSB
Some will argue that due to destructible weapons, and thinier tank this is perfectly balanced.
To those I say look at the Ishtar used drones on both pictures.