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The Industrial heat Index needs to have a threshold so that a certain amount of throughput can be achieved without shooting ones self in the foot.


speaking as an industrialist who has been dragging along subbing 9 accounts, for crossover pvp-indu gameplay. this type of dramatic overhaul just complicates an already tedious niche of the game.

if we're paying per slot per hour, rooted vs the entire galaxy remove the character installation limit. if its not the character doing the WORK, then why are we limited to 11 jobs at max skill?

IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THE WORK. The idea that we're paying teams to run research based on a characters skills is radical.

I disagree.

IF... CCP has the intention of forcing players to "spread out", that intention is flat WRONG in a "Sandbox".

Just give us, the players, the functionality and let US figure out how to use it as WE want... not how the producers imagined it.
Just because a producer/coder imagined a functionality to be used in a specific way and their bosses determine that it SHALL be so does not make them correct/right.
My imagination and desires are NOT the imagination and desires of CCP staff.
My imagination is not the imagination and desires of other capsuleers either.

My displeasure with CCP goes back to the fact that CCP does not seem to understand that for every "Nerf", "Disparity", "Imbalance" or similar situation, WE, the Capsuleers, have found a work around or strategy to combat it. Yes, I will concede that the work arounds or strategies we came up with were/are not optimal, however LIFE is not fair and LIFE requires that YOU adapt or perish.

Galmalmin, you say, what do you refer to?

One example of many... back when the NYX was "da bomb", all alot of people could do was whine to CCP about the disparity of the NYX. However, some (and I was not an active participant in this, just in a corp that participated in it) came up with a way to combat that ship when it Hot Dropped somewhere and started to wreak havoc. The strategy derived by players involved specific types and numbers of ships being deployed there to kick that NYX's ass. It worked, NYX's were starting to become irrelevant as a surprise weapon.
However, due to the whining in forums and threats of unsubscribing, the NYX was nerfed. The time and effort by players to figure out a way to combat that sucker... wasted.

Galmalmin, where are you going with all this you ask?

CCP has a long history of changing the rules when a number of whiners do what they do best. The effect, usually, is that those who figured out how to improvise, adapt and overcome had their efforts negated by the rules change. Their time and effort was wasted by CCP.

Many of us come to EVEOnline, "not because it is easy, but because it is hard" (thank you President John F. Kennedy). We came because we have to struggle to get to a point where we do not have to struggle as hard we did when we started. We did not want to have things just handed to us. We wanted to feel a sense of accomplishment, a sense of achievement, a sense of value to what we did. There are plenty of venues out there where you can just brainlessly go hither and yawn to get a higher score. We did not come to EVEOnline for that. If a player did, they need to be shown the door and told thanks, but no thanks.

If the average IQ for man is currently around 100, mine is above that. Depending upon which IQ test is used, I score an average of 140. Many people are higher than I and I do not claim to be the smartest one around. Why am I mentioning this? I like my brain to be challenged, be it by what I read, what I do for work or what I do for play. Yes, there are times I just want simple and for that, I play solitaire. I don't come to EVEOnline for simple.

Yes, I understand how a business works and that most businesses want/need to expand, create more profit and so on. Should CCP be the same as other internet gaming companies? Should it cater its business model to the lowest common denominator?
I say no.
I say, stop catering to the whiners.
I say, stop changing the rules.
I say let us, the Capsuleers, figure out workarounds and or strategies for the disparity of LIFE.
I have NOT read the Lore associated with New Eden, but I can not imagine in it that all races are exactly equal in technological ability and that they produce items that are exactly equal to the other races similar/equivalent items. Why create and equal playing field across the board? Why stifle the imagination and/or creativity of your players?
Yes, CCP should fix outright programing bugs and modify/change code to enable functionality in this "Sandbox" as well as create new functionality that WE, the Capsuleers, figure out the best use of, for us. You may choose to use that functionality different than another. To me, that was the main draw to this game, the promise of "Sandbox". Are we getting closer to it? Are we?

CCP, please stop thinking that your specific imagination as to how to apply functionality in the game is the only way it should be. Please stop trying to stifle our imaginations.

Galmalmin

So, basically your example only shows, that only with team of highly determined and highly professional and well-trained players - which is rare and limited resource in Eve - that beast could be defeated. So, it's actually was overpowered and majority of players couldn't do a thing against it.

Aye, to an extent.
Determined, but not "highly determined" and trained versus "well-trained". Not professional in any stretch of my imagination.
The fact that it was powerful was not the point sir, but that the abilities of that ship were able to be dealt with by the imagination and implementation of the players. The tactic was starting to leak out and more and more were starting to use it. It was only a matter of time before it was going to be relegated back to where it had been in usefulness. CCP did not need to "fix it". The players found a way which is my point for a large portion of what CCP "fixes".

Again, I am not referring to bugs or actual broken functionality.

We, the player base, are far smarter than CCP can ever be.

I agree with some things, but you are contradicting yourself saying it in the context of this expansion. Crius changed industry in a way that makes it acessible for the casual player by getting rid of unnecessary barriers (sKill, POS being obligatory for everything beyond T1 manufacturing, standings for the HS players, stupid ME/TE levels) and in the same time adding complexity to the more dedicated industrialists. Teams and system costs add dynamics into it that make it more challenging to be profitable on a larger scale. And you claimed, you like challenges - so why dont you take them?

accessible for casuals, yes, able to do it with any kind of hope of actual profit (without tons of research for best systems/teams, additional costs calculated against safed ressources, high troughput in the case of a POS to make up for the fuel costs etc.), no, thus not really accessible for casuals at all anymore in the end.

Love the new Industry panel
Never bothered with ME & TE before, just made stuff at base cost (ouch)

Not any more ...

Wacked Lab ops to 4 already and slots are now constantly busy updating blueprints (lucky that I'm years off doing invention).


Couple of minor points on use suggestions:

• Perhaps "Last used tab" could be remembered (instead of reverting to blueprint) - ie like the Wallet screen does


• When searching facilities for lowest cost and sorting on ME or TE etc I would have expected that if I set lowest cost first, those stations without the capability would go to bottom of list not the top (else end up scrolling lots or inverting search is actually easier)

Drone skill still missing any time frame for fix?

Agreed, I'd like to know when this will be fixed, I am missing out on tons of ISK because I can't stay at the range I want to be for safety purposes.

21 pages, yet not a single answer from any CCP stuff in the thread.