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Why are destroyers so useless?

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2014-07-25 09:15:04 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
and the catalyst is limited by the 2 mid-slots,

fit an honour tackle, it's not limited at all :D
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-07-25 09:17:43 UTC
The destroyers perform mostly fine, except maybe for the Dragoon that is simply too slow and clumsy to pick it's own fights and yet relies on a weapon system that is almost useless against the many ships with capless weapons.
But what I'd like to see is more of an economic buff. While having so many turrets or launchers might be amazing at first glance, it drives up the cost enormously if you fully t2 fit them.
It would be nice if they had half the weapons but a 100% damage bonus to balance it out again.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#63 - 2014-07-25 09:24:34 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
The destroyers perform mostly fine, except maybe for the Dragoon that is simply too slow and clumsy to pick it's own fights and yet relies on a weapon system that is almost useless against the many ships with capless weapons.
But what I'd like to see is more of an economic buff. While having so many turrets or launchers might be amazing at first glance, it drives up the cost enormously if you fully t2 fit them.
It would be nice if they had half the weapons but a 100% damage bonus to balance it out again.


What? Sorry hun, but the Dragoon is great!

Sure not solo, Ill grant you, but Im not sure why drones are useless against ships with capless weapons?

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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#64 - 2014-07-25 09:30:42 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
and the catalyst is limited by the 2 mid-slots,

fit an honour tackle, it's not limited at all :D


I flew the retribution when it had one mid. Fun little ship.
Arla Sarain
#65 - 2014-07-25 09:36:48 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
they aren't used more often in faction warfare.

I've only been in FW for 3 months and even I can't say this with a serious look on my face.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-07-25 09:38:48 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
The destroyers perform mostly fine, except maybe for the Dragoon that is simply too slow and clumsy to pick it's own fights and yet relies on a weapon system that is almost useless against the many ships with capless weapons.
But what I'd like to see is more of an economic buff. While having so many turrets or launchers might be amazing at first glance, it drives up the cost enormously if you fully t2 fit them.
It would be nice if they had half the weapons but a 100% damage bonus to balance it out again.
Adds up to 15-20 Mil total (unless you fit meta4 'Arbalest' launchers), which is between a T2-fit T1 frig and a T2-fit AF. Makes sense, imo.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#67 - 2014-07-25 09:41:59 UTC
I bet that noob thinks he's a supertroll.

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-07-25 09:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Ramona McCandless wrote:

What? Sorry hun, but the Dragoon is great!

Sure not solo, Ill grant you, but Im not sure why drones are useless against ships with capless weapons?


Found my problem, I guess. What?

Guly Alex Foyle wrote:
Adds up to 15-20 Mil total (unless you fit meta4 'Arbalest' launchers), which is between a T2-fit T1 frig and a T2-fit AF. Makes sense, imo.


You know what? I did the math again and it turns out you are right, with current Jita prices you can fully fit a Coercer for even less, about 11-12 Mil.
Not sure if t2 small weapons have become much cheaper since I last used them or if I am simply a bad.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#69 - 2014-07-25 10:17:37 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

What? Sorry hun, but the Dragoon is great!

Sure not solo, Ill grant you, but Im not sure why drones are useless against ships with capless weapons?


Found my problem, I guess. What?


Dont worry, its why mine rarely gets the run out she deserves too

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2014-07-25 10:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

What? Sorry hun, but the Dragoon is great!

Sure not solo, Ill grant you, but Im not sure why drones are useless against ships with capless weapons?


Found my problem, I guess. What?

Not every ship is for every situation...I think that is How it should be.
Take 5 Dragoons and lay waste to a much superior number of frigs.

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Chris Slayter
Perdition
#71 - 2014-07-25 11:09:29 UTC
Just browsing the forums during DT and suddenly finding this gem here. OP's alliance sounded familiar so I checked our wars... yup, currently at war with OP. A change of paradigm seems appropriate... *fits destroyers*

Now... if only there were some targets to undock... Roll
LazyDeer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-07-25 11:34:15 UTC
Chris Slayter wrote:
Just browsing the forums during DT and suddenly finding this gem here. OP's alliance sounded familiar so I checked our wars... yup, currently at war with OP. A change of paradigm seems appropriate... *fits destroyers*

Now... if only there were some targets to undock... Roll


Oh please were not even worried about you guys, stop trying to act big with your 12 man alliance that only managed to kill a afk retriever. You guys don't even pvp you just attack offline POS.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-07-25 11:38:41 UTC
*grabs popcorn*

Chris Slayter, he just offended you and your whole alliance!

How are you going to respond to these accusations!?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-07-25 11:39:03 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
attack offline POS.
God's work.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#75 - 2014-07-25 11:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Maekchu wrote:
*grabs popcorn*

Chris Slayter, he just offended you and your whole alliance!

How are you going to respond to these accusations!?
Hopefully with some explosions.

*moar popcorn*

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Chris Slayter
Perdition
#76 - 2014-07-25 11:41:31 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:

Oh please were not even worried about you guys, stop trying to act big with your 12 man alliance that only managed to kill a afk retriever. You guys don't even pvp you just attack offline POS.


If you are not even worried, how come you are not seen anywhere outside a station or forcefield? Big smile
Oh and yes, we attack offline towers to get some iskies here and there. H-sec is full of offline towers with juicy modules waiting to be harvested. No idea how this leads you to the assumption that we wouldn't pvp. Maybe because it is easier to talk smack instead of bringing a fight? Roll
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-07-25 11:50:03 UTC
8/10

Keep reeling them in.
LazyDeer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-07-25 11:51:19 UTC
Chris Slayter wrote:
LazyDeer wrote:

Oh please were not even worried about you guys, stop trying to act big with your 12 man alliance that only managed to kill a afk retriever. You guys don't even pvp you just attack offline POS.


If you are not even worried, how come you are not seen anywhere outside a station or forcefield? Big smile
Oh and yes, we attack offline towers to get some iskies here and there. H-sec is full of offline towers with juicy modules waiting to be harvested. No idea how this leads you to the assumption that we wouldn't pvp. Maybe because it is easier to talk smack instead of bringing a fight? Roll


Its really hard to talk smack when its the truth also its hard to fight back when your always cloaked.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#79 - 2014-07-25 12:06:44 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
Its really hard to talk smack when its the truth also its hard to fight back when your always cloaked.
Pretty well disguised stealth nerf cloaking thread detected.

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Chris Slayter
Perdition
#80 - 2014-07-25 12:08:06 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:

Its really hard to talk smack when its the truth also its hard to fight back when your always cloaked.


So... simply because you make a remark on a certain topic it magically turns into truth? Would you please share this power with the rest of us so we can all make up our own truth?

Also confirming I'm cloaked 99.99% of the time in all of my ships.