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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#81 - 2014-07-21 18:35:48 UTC
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Orca

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Whenever I see a post like this, I search the OP on the killboards to see what they lost.

OP: Maybe if you hadn't turned your Orca into a grossly undertanked 700mil target, you'd have been less likely to attract people looking to blow it up. I mean, seriously, swapping out a DCUII for one of those lowslot cargo expanders would have made you far harder to kill.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#82 - 2014-07-21 18:41:38 UTC
13 nonames wrote:
I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police



Why do people ask for such things ONLY when they have lost a ship due to this and not before?You're playing since 2011 yet this is the first time you ask for this and it won't be a coincidence that the day you made this thread you lost an orca in empire now is it?

You knew about this tactic before yet had no problems with it untill you yourself fell victim to it.That is what i call being a hypo .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#83 - 2014-07-21 18:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:
a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing



As someone who pirates from time to time , i am -8 again now btw , i did laugh when they said they would introduce these tags.I knew i would use them , as i have done allready once since their release , but i also felt it was a stupid idea.You're making it too easy on pirates and gankers this way.

However i do doubt that it would keep pirates/gankers from doing what they do as the sec grinding never stopped me even though it was a pain in the ass , it would however keep non pirates/gankers from shooting a neut in low-sec every now and then.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#84 - 2014-07-21 18:47:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Saar Ynier wrote:
Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...


i didn't know tags were free


I doubt the ''good people of eve'' actually know how much it costs to go from -9.9 to a -0 sec stat .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#85 - 2014-07-21 18:53:09 UTC
13 nonames wrote:
how about we look at it this way what do you do with someone who has killed someone or damaged/destroyed there property they normally go to this thing called jail aka low sec they would not be let into regular society but in this game someone who commits a crime is treated with nothing more then a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again


"... they got to this thing called jail, aka low sec ... "

lol

Thank me later :D
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2014-07-21 19:00:38 UTC
Thin tank on a big tastey industrial being flown through a well known hotspot for ganking......

My word, it was too easy for them to kill you.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#87 - 2014-07-21 19:04:43 UTC
I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#88 - 2014-07-21 19:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable.



It's a game where we all play our own little mini game in , allways been that way and i LOVE EvE for that reason.That is the beauty of eve however it immediatly also is the biggest problem CCP has with it.You just have to keep an eye on every type of gamestyle being possbile without effecting the other play style too much.

I think i have played out allmost every playstyle there is in eve except for ganking/incursions/wormholes and i can not remember complaining at any time that ''my playstyle'' needed some help in regards to be safer from another playstyle.I allways try to keep a reasonable look on the ways others play too and as such usually more hang towards ''nerfing'' my own playstyle then that of others.


The question is though , when is one playstyle becoming too much favoured towards the other that it needs CCP to come in between and in that regard i am happy to not work at the CCP office ....

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#89 - 2014-07-21 19:40:32 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable.

Ccp disagrees with you.

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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#90 - 2014-07-21 20:07:16 UTC
Gankers already have lots of risks, they just manage them better because they are aware that people like shooting at red and yellow flashy things.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-07-21 20:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
This thread sucks and OP should feel bad.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
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#92 - 2014-07-21 21:54:21 UTC
Bro, right after we blew up your Orca CCP blew up our spaceships.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-07-21 22:10:35 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
I think he's trying to state that we must first gank the gankers before they gank the gankees, then by doing so the ganked become the gankers and everyone can untwist their panties.

Nice rhyme scheme.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-07-21 22:25:13 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Andski wrote:
Saar Ynier wrote:
Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...


i didn't know tags were free


I doubt the ''good people of eve'' actually know how much it costs to go from -9.9 to a -0 sec stat .


the -9.9 to -5.0 part is cheap, but the -5.0 to 0 part is where it gets expensive

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#95 - 2014-07-21 22:44:15 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Andski wrote:
Saar Ynier wrote:
Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...


i didn't know tags were free


I doubt the ''good people of eve'' actually know how much it costs to go from -9.9 to a -0 sec stat .


See my sig. They aren't "good" just because they choose to remain ignorant and refuse to defend themselves.

But yeah, that last five points is a *****. Haven't had to do it in a few months on any of my characters, but the last time I did it I got them for 10% less than Jita price and it was half of a plex all told.

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The Conference Elite
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#96 - 2014-07-21 22:50:01 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Orca

All becomes clear Twisted


Whenever I see a post like this, I search the OP on the killboards to see what they lost.

OP: Maybe if you hadn't turned your Orca into a grossly undertanked 700mil target, you'd have been less likely to attract people looking to blow it up. I mean, seriously, swapping out a DCUII for one of those lowslot cargo expanders would have made you far harder to kill.

Tank no longer applies.Cool
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#97 - 2014-07-22 00:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable.

Ccp disagrees with you.

No ****. The reason I don't agree with it is a pilot who uses sec status to be able to move around in high sec has no vested interest in keeping it as he doesn't have to work at all to keep it or to regain it. It's a bit of a stretch in terms of the analogy, but fairly accurate, they're just bribing the police.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-07-22 01:29:57 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
No ****. The reason I don't agree with it is a pilot who uses sec status to be able to move around in high sec has no vested interest in keeping it as he doesn't have to work at all to keep it or to regain it. It's a bit of a stretch in terms of the analogy, but fairly accurate, they're just bribing the police.


they're paying someone else to do the work involved in gathering the tags needed to restore their sec status

so yes they are indirectly working to regain it

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Saar Ynier
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#99 - 2014-07-22 02:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Saar Ynier
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Andski wrote:
Saar Ynier wrote:
Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...


i didn't know tags were free


I doubt the ''good people of eve'' actually know how much it costs to go from -9.9 to a -0 sec stat .


See my sig. They aren't "good" just because they choose to remain ignorant and refuse to defend themselves.

But yeah, that last five points is a *****. Haven't had to do it in a few months on any of my characters, but the last time I did it I got them for 10% less than Jita price and it was half of a plex all told.

Decided to pop my head back in here ever so slightly, wont be staying around long.

Again, people decide to cherry pick my replies. No where did I state tags are inexpensive. Please go back and read through all of my replies and understand what I am saying before you comment.

Let me make it easy:

- I am not on about all gankers. I respect the gankers who are -5 and below and actually in a corp (not just some random NPC corp ganker that cant be wardecced (for example)), to operate and pull off ganks on people whilst moving around with faction police and players shooting you is commendable.

- I am on about the gankers who ONLY gank for profit rather than fun. The gankers that ONLY gank high value haulers.

- I am on about the people who spend all day ganking high value haulers and dont allow their sec status to drop below -4.0

- ONE gank that drops 400 mill of loot (I gave examples of these players in an earlier post) pays for them to repair their sec status that they have lost over a period of a few day. Over the period of said few days they have gone from being 0.2 to -3.9 (for arguments sake) and have ganked oh I dunno 20 ships each carring 700 - 800 million each.

- I am aware that this wont stop while people haul massive amounts in T1 haulers like idiots.

- It is far too easy for those people mentioned above to repair sec status, using only one high value gank.

- I was considering getting an alt for doing this myself because from sitting in Josemeta and watching how they do it and what they get have allowed me to see how its done. Consideration is done and my alt is created, there is far to much ISK to be had due to idiots and untanked haulers that I just had to have spme of the action. I still maintain the fact that it is far too easy for these people mentioned to repair their sec status and negate security loss however...

Anywho, most will again, skim read my post and cherry pick it to make out I am talking about something else entirely, so from now on I won't be returning to this thread. Enjoy you discussion. Smile
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-07-22 07:10:13 UTC
13 nonames wrote:
I advanced society


sounds like some serious nazi ****.

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