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Cruelty can be harmful, a word of warning from the wife of a long term eve player.

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Kuseka Adama
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2011-12-06 16:25:05 UTC
Topics like this make me want to shoot people. The true lack of human decency that exists when people cant be held physically responsible for their actions is disgusting. None of you would have the balls to say what's being said in this thread to his face for fear of getting shot AND DESERVEDLY SO!

I hope the victim of this disgrace builds up the courage to start naming names. People like this should be shot on sight in this universe repeatedly. Humanity is a cesspool. Actions like this are clear evidence of that. I pray he pulls through. I also pray for his own sake he hits the uninstall button and cancels his subscriptions. A game like this is not conducive to someone going through what he is. Specifically because scum like this exists in the world.

I get that EVE is one of the worst and at the same time best gaming communities around but this is a whole new low for its players. For all of its players.

Those of you in that corporation with any sense of decency should get out while you can. If this corporation is in a serious alliance i pray that leadership does something punitive. You've essentially driven a man to the brink of RL death. If he had died anyone in that corporation would be able to be held responsible for this mess. Civilly at the least. And potentially legally.

And to the OP. If he decides after all this to come back and needs some help getting on his feet i'm more than willing to help him at least with in game stuff. This is my first post in a goddamned long time because i'd left the game for other reasons months ago. People like this make me sick. For every 1 of these corporations there are ten far better. My previous outfit is proof of that.
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2011-12-07 03:26:26 UTC
Skoda owed wolfie only for a fitted ishtar he gave to him a couple days before his intervention.

On multiple occasions Skoda asked wolfie how much he wanted for the ishtar and wolfie said he hadn't calculated it yet. The next day was the intervention and that was that. First opportunity to get online to explain his absence was a couple weeks later where he convoed eperor, wolfie and a few other officers to enlighten them on situation. During that discussion the ishtar was not brought up.

Hardly owing a billion isk. Please do stop trying to futher skewer the truth. All I want is an admission of the very detailed allegations brought against you. Just admit you did this and we can all move on.

THIS IS NOT A SMEERE CAMPAGIN.

Every allegation levied against you is accurate, you are the antagonist of this situation, and I hope that the reputation of LVSKY and TNT suffers for it.

Oh and since wibla you decided to produce a private eve mail and publish it publically revealing the name of the victum which was just another attack against him as everyone here is aware he did not want his identity published. I will confirm,

Skoda Zek is the victim in this case. He has a long and very positive history in eve. Nearly anyone he knew in game or knows him would attest nothing but the fondest of character qualities as testiment to his persona.

Skoda Zek of CA / FIX / TRI / REQ / AAA etc

Now everyone knows.

It would appear I owe Skoda an apology as it was my desire to see this issue brought to light which ultimately lead to the release of his identity, I know he will be very troubled by this and I am so very sorry for that.

LEt these chips fall where they may.
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#103 - 2011-12-07 08:46:34 UTC
Elviraah wrote:
Skoda owed wolfie only for a fitted ishtar he gave to him a couple days before his intervention.

On multiple occasions Skoda asked wolfie how much he wanted for the ishtar and wolfie said he hadn't calculated it yet. The next day was the intervention and that was that. First opportunity to get online to explain his absence was a couple weeks later where he convoed eperor, wolfie and a few other officers to enlighten them on situation. During that discussion the ishtar was not brought up.

Hardly owing a billion isk. Please do stop trying to futher skewer the truth. All I want is an admission of the very detailed allegations brought against you. Just admit you did this and we can all move on.
Admit what? admit telling a corp director that a person needs to be gone because he's not joining fleets and gets his orca blown up in a belt in nullsec? That's a matter of fact.
Elviraah wrote:


THIS IS NOT A SMEERE CAMPAGIN.
Yes it is, but I'm not sure how well its working out for you... (its also spelled smear, btw)
Elviraah wrote:

Every allegation levied against you is accurate, you are the antagonist of this situation, and I hope that the reputation of LVSKY and TNT suffers for it.
Accurate? I've not been able to find any documentation or proof of the stuff he claims he lost when he got kicked, with the exception of the DG Medium tower and some hulks. Also, we've been getting some feedback, mostly in the form of "haha, you guys are the BEST, keep at it!" (Hint: we're in the CFC)
Elviraah wrote:

Oh and since wibla you decided to produce a private eve mail and publish it publically revealing the name of the victum which was just another attack against him as everyone here is aware he did not want his identity published. I will confirm,

Skoda Zek is the victim in this case. He has a long and very positive history in eve. Nearly anyone he knew in game or knows him would attest nothing but the fondest of character qualities as testiment to his persona.

Skoda Zek of CA / FIX / TRI / REQ / AAA etc

Now everyone knows.

It would appear I owe Skoda an apology as it was my desire to see this issue brought to light which ultimately lead to the release of his identity, I know he will be very troubled by this and I am so very sorry for that.

LEt these chips fall where they may.

You opened the can of worms when you decided, against his will, to start this thread, though I'm not sure if its not just skoda zek using an alt trying to spin up a sob story to make us look bad.

Let me summarize a few things about eve-online that you may or may not know, but that is relevant for this 'case':

1. You cannot anchor personal poses, so the moment you anchor a pos for corp, that is in effect a corp asset.
2. Anything you leave in a tower CHA/SMA can be taken by anyone with the right roles, POSes are not safe places to leave things, actually LVSKY probably told him this before he put up his tower, as they've had a substantial corp theft from a pos before. You don't leave assets sitting in space if you're not around to protect them.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2011-12-07 09:47:11 UTC
Elviraah wrote:
LEt these chips fall where they may.

We had fish and chips for lunch today. It was p. tasty.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#105 - 2011-12-07 16:58:19 UTC
Wibla wrote:


Let me summarize a few things about eve-online that you may or may not know, but that is relevant for this 'case':

1. You cannot anchor personal poses, so the moment you anchor a pos for corp, that is in effect a corp asset.
2. Anything you leave in a tower CHA/SMA can be taken by anyone with the right roles, POSes are not safe places to leave things, actually LVSKY probably told him this before he put up his tower, as they've had a substantial corp theft from a pos before. You don't leave assets sitting in space if you're not around to protect them.


So, taking into account what you've just disclosed, either:

A) You neglected to inform Skoda of these litte details, either accidentally or intentionally (does that 'corp asset' thing extend to whatever ships your members are storing in the POS, by the way?)

or

B) You were lax about your security and allowed the wrong people access to storage (aka, you got sloppy and Skoda was offered up as a sacrifical lamb).

Sorry, but I'm going to have to ask for some extra proof that Skoda is the one at fault. I hope you'll understand that, considering you're a member of the corp in question, it's hard to accept that thee's no evidence purely on your say-so.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#106 - 2011-12-07 18:59:20 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


So, taking into account what you've just disclosed, either:

A) You neglected to inform Skoda of these litte details, either accidentally or intentionally (does that 'corp asset' thing extend to whatever ships your members are storing in the POS, by the way?)

or

B) You were lax about your security and allowed the wrong people access to storage (aka, you got sloppy and Skoda was offered up as a sacrifical lamb).

Sorry, but I'm going to have to ask for some extra proof that Skoda is the one at fault. I hope you'll understand that, considering you're a member of the corp in question, it's hard to accept that thee's no evidence purely on your say-so.


Let me start off by mentioning that the two points in my last post were general, as they pertain to basic game mechanics.

The straight up analysis of what happened is basically: Player A is bad at eve, gets himself kicked, loses some assets because he left them where others could get at them, writes sob story on the forums while also massively exaggerating what he lost.

Fault? its his own fault that he got kicked, v0v

A further analysis is that this guy probably shouldnt have been playing EVE at all after what he supposedly went through, EVE can be a nasty habit (addiction) if you get dragged in, much the same as drug use...
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#107 - 2011-12-07 19:25:45 UTC
Wibla wrote:

Let me start off by mentioning that the two points in my last post were general, as they pertain to basic game mechanics.


Noted. Allow me to clarify that I was referring to the idea of a POS being 'effectively corp property'; did
anyone inform Skoda of this at the time? Can we find verifiable evidence to that effect? If so, then yes, he was a bit foolish. If not, then it becomes an issue of communication and corporate management.

Wibla wrote:

The straight up analysis of what happened is basically: Player A is bad at eve, gets himself kicked, loses some assets because he left them where others could get at them, writes sob story on the forums while also massively exaggerating what he lost.

Fault? its his own fault that he got kicked, v0v

A further analysis is that this guy probably shouldnt have been playing EVE at all after what he supposedly went through, EVE can be a nasty habit (addiction) if you get dragged in, much the same as drug use...


Again, do we have verifiable evidence? Can you post logs, or transcripts, or even a screenshot that would substantiate your claims? To quote the late Gene Roddenberry: 'I can't very well find out who's f***ing who until I get some accurate information.'

Let's boil this down to its components: a man is in hospital, accusations have been raised, and someone is responsible, either by accidental error or a deliberate act of omission. Let's find out, once and for all, who that person should be.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#108 - 2011-12-07 19:42:59 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


Again, do we have verifiable evidence? Can you post logs, or transcripts, or even a screenshot that would substantiate your claims? To quote the late Gene Roddenberry: 'I can't very well find out who's f***ing who until I get some accurate information.'

Let's boil this down to its components: a man is in hospital, accusations have been raised, and someone is responsible, either by accidental error or a deliberate act of omission. Let's find out, once and for all, who that person should be.


Thats a very interesting statement, lets look at it from a slightly different angle: Do we have verifiable proof that OP's story is true?
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#109 - 2011-12-07 19:55:08 UTC
Wibla wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


Again, do we have verifiable evidence? Can you post logs, or transcripts, or even a screenshot that would substantiate your claims? To quote the late Gene Roddenberry: 'I can't very well find out who's f***ing who until I get some accurate information.'

Let's boil this down to its components: a man is in hospital, accusations have been raised, and someone is responsible, either by accidental error or a deliberate act of omission. Let's find out, once and for all, who that person should be.


Thats a very interesting statement, lets look at it from a slightly different angle: Do we have verifiable proof that OP's story is true?


I'm not seeking to prove anyone right, wrong, purple or blue. Frankly, I couldn't care less who's right and who's wrong.

BUT.

We need to get the story straight.

That means finding out what broke, and why, and we can't do that until we have a clear picture of what actually happened. So far, all we've got is a bunch of he-said/she-said, which gets us nowhere.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2011-12-07 19:56:21 UTC
Internet spaceships apparently are srs business

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Feilamya
#111 - 2011-12-07 20:51:52 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Feilamya wrote:

Always remember:
- Your ingame character is not you.
- The ingame characters played by other players are not them.
- Nothing that happens inside the game world is real.


I"m sorry, but you are so completely and totally obviously wrong.


The 3 points you quoted (and the rest of my post) were all common sense among gamers before people like you started playing games. They were common sense even before the internet and before computers. Back then, the line between a game and real life was perhaps easier to grasp, because most sane people would find it hard to identify with a wooden brick on a paper square when they sat down for a game of Monopoly.

If you think games are real, you should stop playing games and get a life. Games are harmful to you like sports can be harmful to people in bad physical conditions. In the same way as you have to be physically fit for sports, you have to be mentally fit for modern role-playing games.

The fundamental difference between a old-fashioned board games or sports and online games is that YOU NEVER MEET YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS! All social interaction that happens in the ingame chat or even this form is PART OF THE GAME. It is NOT REAL! Whereas the chat and the few beers you may have with your buddies after a football match or a bowling session IS REAL and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME of football or bowling. When you play an online game, you are ALONE, unless someone is sitting nearby and playing the same game.

If people do not understand these principles, then online games can in fact be dangerous to them. Conditions which experts that we often laugh about are calling "gaming addiction" are a direct result of confusing events in a game with events in reality.

If a significant majority of people considered games as a part of the real world, then not only our society would have a serious problem, but we would also have to immediately close down games like Eve Online (where stealing, backstabbing and scamming are legit game mechanics) or change their rules radically. Nobody wants this. It is fair enough to expect people who do not accept the rules of the game to leave it and play something else (or, while we are at it, spend their time on something useful and stop suffering from burnout and complaining about not having time for anything). There are plenty of alternatives (none of them have internet spaceships, but if anyone is to blame for that, it's all game studios that are not called CCP and that are constantly failing at producing a viable alternative).

Threads like this make me glad I am a fossil that grew up without the internet.
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#112 - 2011-12-07 21:42:56 UTC
Out of Pod Experience: Where troll posts from GD go to die.

So can we let this one die, now?
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#113 - 2011-12-07 22:13:18 UTC
It was fun while it lasted :D
Skoda Zek
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2011-12-08 02:01:48 UTC
Wow, where do I begin? I'm quite honestly almost at a loss for words here.

I am so pleased that people respect my wishes.

Rick what you made public in this thread was a betrayal of my trust that dare I say goes beyond that of what happened in game.

I don't want anything from any of you beyond the cessation of this discussion. My personal life has been plastered all over the Eve forums and topics which I consider quite personal have been made public for everyone to see and discuss and this has me quite angry.

As everyone is now apparently aware, I have much more important things to concern myself with. In comparison this seems hardly worth replying too. I do only because I want no further discussion of my personal life. It's nobodies business outside of myself and my family.

I got booted out of a corporation for excessive loss mails due to passing out while mining because I was hopped up on painkillers. I left the majority of my equipment and such inside a privately owned pos which the corporation decided not to return with my removal. That is what it boils down too.

Oh and to clarify, I still have my Rorqual and all my SC precursor modules. They are just located in what is now hostile space albeit still in my possesion.

When I am finished my program here, if I decide to return to Eve I assure you I am still quite financially comfortable.

As you can see things have been exaggerated.

Let this be the end of it.

Thanks, you are all free to return to your own problems now.
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#115 - 2011-12-08 02:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Miner
Skoda Zek wrote:
Wow, where do I begin? I'm quite honestly almost at a loss for words here.

I am so pleased that people respect my wishes.

Rick what you made public in this thread was a betrayal of my trust that dare I say goes beyond that of what happened in game.

I don't want anything from any of you beyond the cessation of this discussion. My personal life has been plastered all over the Eve forums and topics which I consider quite personal have been made public for everyone to see and discuss and this has me quite angry.

As everyone is now apparently aware, I have much more important things to concern myself with. In comparison this seems hardly worth replying too. I do only because I want no further discussion of my personal life. It's nobodies business outside of myself and my family.

I got booted out of a corporation for excessive loss mails due to passing out while mining because I was hopped up on painkillers. I left the majority of my equipment and such inside a privately owned pos which the corporation decided not to return with my removal. That is what it boils down too.

Oh and to clarify, I still have my Rorqual and all my SC precursor modules. They are just located in what is now hostile space albeit still in my possesion.

When I am finished my program here, if I decide to return to Eve I assure you I am still quite financially comfortable.

As you can see things have been exaggerated.

Let this be the end of it.

Thanks, you are all free to return to your own problems now.


Even this well crafted troll post will not save this thread.

Let it die.

Edit: I'd like to point out how I know, 100%, that this is in fact a troll. Well, it all hinges on Wibla kicking people OUT of TNT for being bad. I know for a fact, TNT's recruitment policy is to find out how bad you are, then let you in if you're really bad. I think losing Orca's in belts is an automatic pass on TNT apps.
Skoda Zek
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2011-12-08 07:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Skoda Zek
This is in response to the mails I received in the last couple hours.

I apologize if I came across as ungrateful in my previous post towards those who spoke up in support of my wife's initial argument. That absolutely was not my intention.

I do appreciate your comments and will not forget them.
Zedic
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2011-12-13 06:30:29 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
it is not about a person taking a game to seriously but others people who use the: it is a game-excuse to be total dicks.

Again, while a lot of things are allowed in this game, EVE does not require you to be one.

I have also found a lot of friends in EVE, I even met some of them in real life. People I can trust with my assets and in return they can depend on me.

Many people here are not playing an dickhead on the internet, they are a **** and just use EVE as a platform and it's a game as an excuse for what they really are.


That's the interesting thing though isn't it? Eve is the ultimate, "do what you want, as there aren't [usually] any "real" consequences" - sort of experience.

So, everyone that plays Eve is presented with two paths:

Allow their ID to run amok in a pretend world without consequence and defend every action with, "it's just a game! lalalalala"
or
Do what's right or what's honorable - even though you don't have to. This is regarded as being lame or weak or whatever.

In all my years of playing this game I've always been fascinated by how many people chose the so-called "lower road". To each their own, and obviously I'm one of those lame types. I've had some really amazing times in this game and thankfully - I've always flown with honorable groups of people who know each other outside of the game.

Skoda, I wish you all the best in your road to recovery. There are several people in my life that I love very much who also struggle with addiction. I hope that you can find the serenity that you deserve and I wish the best for you and your wife. I'm sorry you haven't had the same experiences that I've had in this game or in TNT, which has always been great even though I have at times been an unmitigated ass to my fellow directors and have been absent now for a few months due to being in a new relationship.

best wishes
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2011-12-13 06:39:45 UTC
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Topics like this make me want to shoot people. The true lack of human decency that exists when people cant be held physically responsible for their actions is disgusting. None of you would have the balls to say what's being said in this thread to his face for fear of getting shot AND DESERVEDLY SO!

I hope the victim of this disgrace builds up the courage to start naming names. People like this should be shot on sight in this universe repeatedly. Humanity is a cesspool. Actions like this are clear evidence of that. I pray he pulls through. I also pray for his own sake he hits the uninstall button and cancels his subscriptions. A game like this is not conducive to someone going through what he is. Specifically because scum like this exists in the world.

I get that EVE is one of the worst and at the same time best gaming communities around but this is a whole new low for its players. For all of its players.

Those of you in that corporation with any sense of decency should get out while you can. If this corporation is in a serious alliance i pray that leadership does something punitive. You've essentially driven a man to the brink of RL death. If he had died anyone in that corporation would be able to be held responsible for this mess. Civilly at the least. And potentially legally.

And to the OP. If he decides after all this to come back and needs some help getting on his feet i'm more than willing to help him at least with in game stuff. This is my first post in a goddamned long time because i'd left the game for other reasons months ago. People like this make me sick. For every 1 of these corporations there are ten far better. My previous outfit is proof of that.



ITP, poster makes multiple assertions about morals and in the next breath judges people need to be shot on sight.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#119 - 2011-12-13 19:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Deviana Sevidon
Feilamya wrote:


I"m sorry, but you are so completely and totally obviously wrong.

The 3 points you quoted (and the rest of my post) were all common sense among gamers before people like you started playing games. They were common sense even before the internet and before computers. Back then, the line between a game and real life was perhaps easier to grasp, because most sane people would find it hard to identify with a wooden brick on a paper square when they sat down for a game of Monopoly.

If you think games are real, you should stop playing games and get a life. Games are harmful to you like sports can be harmful to people in bad physical conditions. In the same way as you have to be physically fit for sports, you have to be mentally fit for modern role-playing games.

The fundamental difference between a old-fashioned board games or sports and online games is that YOU NEVER MEET YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS! All social interaction that happens in the ingame chat or even this form is PART OF THE GAME. It is NOT REAL! Whereas the chat and the few beers you may have with your buddies after a football match or a bowling session IS REAL and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME of football or bowling. When you play an online game, you are ALONE, unless someone is sitting nearby and playing the same game.

If people do not understand these principles, then online games can in fact be dangerous to them. Conditions which experts that we often laugh about are calling "gaming addiction" are a direct result of confusing events in a game with events in reality.

If a significant majority of people considered games as a part of the real world, then not only our society would have a serious problem, but we would also have to immediately close down games like Eve Online (where stealing, backstabbing and scamming are legit game mechanics) or change their rules radically. Nobody wants this. It is fair enough to expect people who do not accept the rules of the game to leave it and play something else (or, while we are at it, spend their time on something useful and stop suffering from burnout and complaining about not having time for anything). There are plenty of alternatives (none of them have internet spaceships, but if anyone is to blame for that, it's all game studios that are not called CCP and that are constantly failing at producing a viable alternative).

Threads like this make me glad I am a fossil that grew up without the internet.


The society already has a big problem, not because of games, but because of all the dysfunctional people out there, who are just weak willed little sociopatics, hiding their miserable being in the real world, but acting without restraint anywere they can be anonymous or don't have to fear consequences.

Remember that you are playing a game together, winning and losing is part of the game, alright, but still keep it within the game and within some rules. A game of chess is won by tactics and smart moves, not by smashing the other players face with a baseball bat, even if no one is there to punish you.

No one cares how much you abuse some pixels, but in a MMO there are people behind them and when a lot of players here claim they play only to extract tears then they have already crossed the line into sociopathic behavior.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.