Missions & Complexes

Level 4 missions have all but had the good drops removed. Now there is going to be a refining change to salvaging. Missions are being made more time consuming and there is no end to the push push push by CCP to move folks into Low/Null. How does this = a sandbox? Please stop pushing. Do something useful like... Make dedicated Ammo bays on Marauders, or fix the Nestor. Either fix missioning or quit pushing high sec out of the game.

The plot is to have fun by interacting with other people.

Maybe you misunderstand the "Plot"?

Missions are not the way to have fun in hi sec.

Missions might not be fun for some people. Mining might not be fun for some people. Marketing might not be fun for some people. PVP might not be fun for some people. Industry might not be fun for some people. The idea here is that all the pieces fit together to provide a gameplay that you can enjoy. Whether it is in FW, Incursions, Missioning, Indi, or becoming the next big corp. in Null. Even taking out AP Indi ships on the way to a hub is fun. But you had the option to choose a play style that fit your gaming parameters and your times. Options create interest and gameplay dynamics. What I'm seeing as of late from CCP are option limiting gameplay. I'm not sure that is how a sandbox is supposed to work!

Yep Yep... I mean don't get me wrong. I'm not looking down at PVP. I like PVP as much as I like the game. But... I like the game. All the aspects of the game. I think what I'm trying to understand is why would you limit folks that obviously enjoy the gameplay they've been provide with.

I feel that moving the game into a mainstream venue and losing the unique dynamics will eventually cause the player base to move on. I may be wrong, but I am starting to feel like the dynamic qualities that make EVE fun for me to play are diminishing to the point I'm not enjoying it quiet as much. I think CCP would be more inclined to embrace the gameplay that made it, and attracted the folks here. If you want cookie cutter builds and PVP better than dynamic gameplay you are not limited in game choices. If you want a rich unique gameplay environment; EVE has been all that for some time now. I would very much like to see that far into the future and I fear it will not be the case. I welcome anyone to express things the way they see it. I for one am hoping beyond hope that they manage to stay with what makes this game special to me. I like the friends and devs I have here. I enjoy the fact that CCP has listened to the player base in the past and has not dismissed everything that has been asked. I luv the new graphics, new ship choices and the new ideas. I am not particularly driven to be told what makes the game important. I will be sad if the direction continues to go down the slippery path, but I'll live. It's a game. When and if it stops being enjoyable for me to play I'll leave happily enjoying the memories of the time spent here previously.

LVL 4 agents need to be transported to low sec systems.

And that would fix exactly what? You think shiny marauders would flock to nearest lowsec chasing after them?

The thing I notice the most is how PVP-centric players have such a limited scope of what PVP means.

If you can't chest pump after ganking the 2 guys that hopped into your trap of 15 it's not PVP.
If you can't harvest tears in local/forums after your 20 man gang destroyed the freighter in a .5 system, it's not PVP.
And there's always the complimentary tears of popping a Retriever in belt with a 1mil ISK glass cannon, otherwise it's not PVP.

If you logged in and are making ISK it's PVP and if you made more than they did you may have won. PVP centric player have proven over and over again they are the most Risk averse group in EVE, when it's not heavily in their favour they don't engage, and when its marginal they don't engage, when it overwhelmingly in their favour then they engage, and go chest pound in the forums of how the other players in EVE are all risk-averse pu55ie5

And Estella; it's a Sandbox-centric game becoming a PVP-centric game that will lose all of its Sandbox-centric players as soon as it becomes a completely PVP-centric game. If it was PVP-centric we would have arenas, we would have rules of engagement maintained by software, and most of all I would be playing something else. I find no joy in beating the other guys imaginary ship with my imaginary ship, there is no challenge in it to me and the miniscule reward is not worth the time and energy. Not that I never shoot at other players, I just don't log in with that sole intent.

The wastebasket suggestion of the decade, LVL-4 to low sec just means all the LVl-4 runners would go do incursions (or whatever else), Incursions to Low sec just means the Incursion runners would go to the next highest denominator while still avoiding the risk of running into a 15 man gang wanting to kill a 3 man gang without risk. Keep moving things to low sec and you will have a lot of unused content and still no juicy killmails.

No, but rebalanced black ops battleships might.