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What is wrong with Eve's political metagame

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2014-07-17 12:52:19 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What I really want to know is, what is the deal with airline food?
They're allowed to call it food? Surely that's false advertising Shocked

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#22 - 2014-07-17 12:57:18 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
Everywhere I look I see more and more corporations and alliances claim to not get involved in Eve politics.

What's up with that?


I did an analysis of politics in EVE with one of my OOG friends who knows what EVE is but have never played it. We have been talking about EVE for years, since he has majored Sociology. EVE is an open, hyper-capitalistic society without strict rules (morality as such), so he was always interested in what's happening in the game for research purposes.

The short answer for OP's question is: not enough true leaders.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-17 13:16:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What I really want to know is, what is the deal with airline food?


While it's worse than normal food, it's still slightly better than hospital food. I think it's to pre-empt passengers for worst case scenario...


It's just a theory. It also depends on whether they actually make it to a hospital let alone safely back on the ground.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#24 - 2014-07-17 14:05:14 UTC
Tastebuds lose 30% of their effectiveness in a typical airplane environment. The combination of pressure and climate control takes away a lot of taste, resulting in bland food. I live in the Netherlands and I am single. Hospital food is generally better then any prefab meals from the super market, which by themselves are the highlight of my cooking. I can recommend anyone to puncture their lungs and put this to the test. Lol
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-17 15:10:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What I really want to know is, what is the deal with airline food?

Whatever you do, don't order the fish.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-07-17 15:22:47 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Tastebuds lose 30% of their effectiveness in a typical airplane environment. The combination of pressure and climate control takes away a lot of taste, resulting in bland food. I live in the Netherlands and I am single. Hospital food is generally better then any prefab meals from the super market, which by themselves are the highlight of my cooking. I can recommend anyone to puncture their lungs and put this to the test. Lol


But alcohol has a bigger impact while flying also.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#27 - 2014-07-17 15:26:21 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Eve grows, evolves, just as real life, not only tactics but also metagaming, allainces grow as blocks do. As a on goon n3 csm member, i can tell you for sure how involved i am, and i see my allaince and providence coalition grow and involve,
From a weird angle, look at ccp charity drives and the number of plex players donated, and then say they are not involved,
U make eve, u break it


That statement needs a translator.
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#28 - 2014-07-17 16:52:43 UTC
*sipping orange juice*

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-07-17 17:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Victor Andall wrote:
The problem is that SOV is so broken that the Blue Donut can be toppled by one single AFK cloaker. But since PLEX Prices are so high because Grr Goons freighters keep getting ganked by CODE on their way to Null Industrial hubs (that Crius is going to ruin completely) so what we need to do is stand up for ourselves and show them that highsec carebears can fight for their rights too. WHO'S WITH ME?!

Oh and Eve is dying.

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Christian Lionbate wrote:
Eve politics consists of Goons because they want to own the universe , ex BoB bitter vets because they lost the universe, Xenuria because he thinks he's relevant, Gelvon Goblin because he's desperate to somehow get on a Goons Titan kill and holysheet in his more lucid moments. Everyone else is meh whatever.

How'd Xenuria get on that list?!?! Of course there was the time where a wolf, armageddon, vexor and machariel warped to the sun. That didn't end well.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-07-17 17:29:49 UTC
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Eve politics consists of Goons because they want to own the universe , ex BoB bitter vets because they lost the universe, Xenuria because he thinks he's relevant, Gelvon Goblin because he's desperate to somehow get on a Goons Titan kill and holysheet in his more lucid moments. Everyone else is meh whatever.

So, let me get this straight... Xenuria THINKS that he's relevant, yet he's clearly more relevant than say, Grath or PGL because they didn't make your list of Eve people.

What the hell did you even say?
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#31 - 2014-07-17 17:51:34 UTC
In truth, much like real life, anyone who says they are not involved in eve politics is eiter stupid, lying, blind, or ignorant.

There is zero way, at all, that you can avoid politics. None, nodda, zip, zilch. Not a damn way.

What they are actually saying "I don't care about the politics or what happens I just go about my game life'

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#32 - 2014-07-17 17:54:36 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What I really want to know is, what is the deal with airline food?


http://www.cntraveler.com/daily-traveler/2014/04/why-airline-food-tastes-so-bad

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.



I must be strange, I like airline ad hospital food. Granted when I ate hospital food it was after 3 knee surgeries and I was starving, but still!

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#33 - 2014-07-17 17:58:58 UTC
I have visited five or six hospitals since november and I can tell you ...

That food is delicious! It's like going into a restaurant every day.

I was always kind of jealous about that great food my granny got.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#34 - 2014-07-17 18:00:15 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Eve politics consists of Goons because they want to own the universe , ex BoB bitter vets because they lost the universe, Xenuria because he thinks he's relevant, Gelvon Goblin because he's desperate to somehow get on a Goons Titan kill and holysheet in his more lucid moments. Everyone else is meh whatever.

So, let me get this straight... Xenuria THINKS that he's relevant, yet he's clearly more relevant than say, Grath or PGL because they didn't make your list of Eve people.

What the hell did you even say?

How exactly is Xenuria relevant?
Even I am more relevant than Xenuria. *snickers XD*

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Christian Lionbate
Atlas Mining And Logistics Company
#35 - 2014-07-17 18:02:45 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Eve politics consists of Goons because they want to own the universe , ex BoB bitter vets because they lost the universe, Xenuria because he thinks he's relevant, Gelvon Goblin because he's desperate to somehow get on a Goons Titan kill and holysheet in his more lucid moments. Everyone else is meh whatever.

So, let me get this straight... Xenuria THINKS that he's relevant, yet he's clearly more relevant than say, Grath or PGL because they didn't make your list of Eve people.

What the hell did you even say?


Dam, I dun hooked me a whale Lol
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#36 - 2014-07-17 19:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Shizuken
Da Dom wrote:
Everywhere I look I see more and more corporations and alliances claim to not get involved in Eve politics.

What's up with that?


Many people I know that play this game don't even know who "The Mittani" is let alone follow EvE politics. So much of that exists only in these forums and in blog posts. While it may affect the market ingame, that is indirect as to many players. Things cost, what difference does it really make when you can still get what you need at a price you can afford to pay. If you cant afford it just run some more PvE.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-07-17 19:53:08 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
Everywhere I look I see more and more corporations and alliances claim to not get involved in Eve politics.

What's up with that?



Funny you made this thread.
I wanted to start a thread about the very same topic myself after reading the So what's keeping you from moving to nullsec-thread, where almost every poster listed "space politics" as a reason for leaving nullsec or not going there in the first place. But then I considered that this would probably require quite a bunch of words and countless sticky keys on my crappy keyboard to click, so I abandoned the idea because of :effort:.
But since you already started it, I might as well add some random thoughts I had -out of context and probably not completely in line with the high level of posting excellency that I usually thrive for.

Arrow Space politics is the main content creator in this game. It builds the narrative for a sandbox game- and since CCP usually don't spoon-feed us content, but rely on the players to come up with something, it should be one of the defining features of EVE online that makes this game so special. So why don't we love it?

ArrowTV shows about politics, evil schemes and treachery like "Game of Thrones" or "House of Cards" are very popular amongst EVE-players, yet at the same time they firmly reject "space-politics". So the problem doesn't seem to be politics & treachery as a general concept, but how it is handled in this game. Now if the players feel that the main content-generator of this game is failing (and, once again, it is one of the defining features of EVE), we might have some huge problem here.

Arrow a problem might be that some players feel excluded from the big narrative, while others involved into politics seem to burn out faster than Thích Quảng Đức. Why does it burn them out? Any input of the persons concerned would be very welcome here!

ArrowAnother problem with establishing a compelling narrative might have to do with yet an other core concept of EVE: capsuleer immortality. Just imagine Game of Thrones with every killed character returning fully alive in the very next episode. Maybe without permadeath everything that happens in big politics becomes more or less shallow and meaningless?

OK, those were just a few (maybe helpfull) thoughts, now I'll go back to looking at cat pictures on the internet.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-07-17 20:20:19 UTC
^^Well, somebody found a use for ArrowArrowArrow

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Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-07-17 20:26:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What I really want to know is, what is the deal with airline food?
They're allowed to call it food? Surely that's false advertising Shocked



Not sure it's the advertising that's wrong. More like the low standards of what can be called food.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-07-17 20:38:50 UTC
Hi Z, I had some free time in between things so I wanted to respond to your post.

Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Arrow Space politics is the main content creator in this game. It builds the narrative for a sandbox game- and since CCP usually don't spoon-feed us content, but rely on the players to come up with something, it should be one of the defining features of EVE online that makes this game so special. So why don't we love it?

From my own short experience in null and the corresponding Reddit experience, what you are calling politics can sometimes manifest as "drama" to corp rank and file. Division heads shuffle places. Sister corps butt heads. This kind of activity creates a large amount of traffic, and so the number of eyeballs and murmur increases. So the rank and file enjoy how "busy" politics makes things seem, but they also dislike the uncertainty that comes with it. Is the politics going to make us move somewhere? Will it affect SRP? Is a corp going to get dissolved?

So the fact that politics adds to lore is interesting, but the fact that politics can easily wreck a pilot's life can add to their negative perception of it.


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ArrowTV shows about politics, evil schemes and treachery like "Game of Thrones" or "House of Cards" are very popular amongst EVE-players, yet at the same time they firmly reject "space-politics". So the problem doesn't seem to be politics & treachery as a general concept, but how it is handled in this game. Now if the players feel that the main content-generator of this game is failing (and, once again, it is one of the defining features of EVE), we might have some huge problem here.

I think it's more accurate to say that "it's not bad news, unless it happens to you". It's nice to see the drama on GoT, but I don't think anyone wants to be on the receiving end of a knife, or a corp theft.


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Arrow a problem might be that some players feel excluded from the big narrative, while others involved into politics seem to burn out faster than Thích Quảng Đức. Why does it burn them out? Any input of the persons concerned would be very welcome here!

The burnout can happen because no pilot can weather through unending drama. Sometimes people just want to get into a ship and shoot some things, talk about their favorite beers, and complain about unimportant things. Politics is fun to consume in small doses, but day after day it becomes toxic.


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ArrowAnother problem with establishing a compelling narrative might have to do with yet an other core concept of EVE: capsuleer immortality. Just imagine Game of Thrones with every killed character returning fully alive in the very next episode. Maybe without permadeath everything that happens in big politics becomes more or less shallow and meaningless?

Chribba said it best here. Your capsuleer may be immortal, but their reputation is not. Politics is always a double edged sword, and it seems like blood always needs to flow.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
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