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CCP is thinking about removing the IGB

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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#201 - 2014-07-12 10:00:26 UTC
the EVE browser is, altrough crappy, a very usefull tool. alt-tabbing in a pvp situation to get a promo or view player kill history isn't an option i'd like.
Not to mention all the funny gif's and naked anime girls being linked in local chat.

How about fixing it, so instead a CCP-browser it would just be a i-frame (or whatever) of user's regular browser? That way all www features would work and it would be easy to maintain.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#202 - 2014-07-12 11:33:43 UTC
IGB ruins wormhole gameplay. Also remove POS from wormholes.

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2014-07-12 19:47:42 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
IGB ruins wormhole gameplay. Also remove POS from wormholes.


As a former WH resident, the IGB is a very valuable tool in wormholes. Please tell us how it ruins wormholes, and tell us exactly how many wormholes you've been in.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2014-07-12 22:10:49 UTC
IGB should be updated. It's still pretty buggy and problematic.
I don't know if they ever fixed the problem with it "hanging" after exiting the client. That used to prevent the patches from applying, until you manually killed process on it.

The IGB is part of EVE. And considering the fact that some folks are still pissed about the Jukebox, it should probably stay. But it should definitely be updated and improved.

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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#205 - 2014-07-13 01:20:35 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
IGB ruins wormhole gameplay. Also remove POS from wormholes.


As a former WH resident, the IGB is a very valuable tool in wormholes. Please tell us how it ruins wormholes, and tell us exactly how many wormholes you've been in.


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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2014-07-13 01:24:13 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
IGB ruins wormhole gameplay. Also remove POS from wormholes.


As a former WH resident, the IGB is a very valuable tool in wormholes. Please tell us how it ruins wormholes, and tell us exactly how many wormholes you've been in.


Roleplayers like to roleplay exploration.


How is mapping the ever-changing routes in and out of your wormhole roleplay? Go read up on wormholes before attempting to astound us with your ignorance.

If that was the case, one might say your alliance was role-playing it's name...
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#207 - 2014-07-13 06:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
I take it, EVE-cost, $RandomSearchEngineSite$, EVElopedia, Killboard-sites, Dscan tools, cargo evaluation tools, Market sites, etc. pp. are all accessible via CREST?

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#208 - 2014-07-13 07:23:53 UTC
While the IGB is quite outdated, it still serves a great purpose, if it's ever going to be removed, they better replace it with something that has a similar function, AKA a new IGB!

The IGB is a great tool in sharing information about the game & tools, it's also a wonderful tool to easely spread information about planned events and events that have occured, without filling up mailboxes with hundreds of mails!

While I agree that my newsblog is little compared to more estabilished news-sites, the fact you can call up various eve-related news-sites adds to the immersion of Eve, a great aspect.
Want to know more about that big BR-5 battle? Check out one of the big Eve news-sites. Looking for some specific market-related eve news? there's quite some newsblogs from marketeers out there to consult!

The fact you can do all that ingame, adds to Eve's experience of being part of a large space-simulation, checking relevant news while you travel your ship across space!
The moment you got to alt-tab, it breaks that immersion, like it would in any other game where you got to alt-tab out to get some info.

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#209 - 2014-07-13 08:20:06 UTC
Preserve IGB functionality in some way and release that tool/endpoint/API before removing IGB and make sure it's 100% compatible with current feature set.

Or just run in an update to the IGB.

Too valuable to let go at this point.
Serene Repose
#210 - 2014-07-13 08:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
A CSM said there's NO INTEREST IN THE INGAME BROWSER????

I told everyone they're a bunch of dolts and can't be trusted. They do NOT speak for US. Never have. Never will.

Three things loft EVE's user interface into the enviable altitude of exceptional for gaming; a) The calculator, b) The notepad and C) THE BROWSER (godammit - do we really have to be having this conversation?)

What makes the browser so significant is how it ties the game into third party applications which are all the envy of the gaming world. This especially means the EVE-Survival mission reports. One can have a mission in the browser while conducting the mission, so as not to BLUNDER. This isn't an every now and then use. There are also the vast supply of market analysis tools, being able to consult EVE UNI at WILL....I mean, really.

THE CSM MEMBERS should be allowed to participate in this discussion only as PLAYERS.
THE CSM should have NO influence or say over a decision like this.

They operate outside the playerbase as a whole, and do not represent EVE's player base as a whole.

KEEP THE BROWSER, goddamit, WE NEED IT. In fact, we'd rather see it improved upon, and not ditched. I'd be willing to pay more for my subscription if need be, rather than lose any one of these three features.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Slymah
DorpCorp
#211 - 2014-07-14 06:09:48 UTC
I've never logged into EVE without using the IGB.

Glad it wont be a real consideration for a couple years but still.. You're making that Jita statue nervous.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2014-07-14 06:23:14 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
A CSM said there's NO INTEREST IN THE INGAME BROWSER????

I told everyone they're a bunch of dolts and can't be trusted. They do NOT speak for US. Never have. Never will.




I put the CSM comment into google translate.


What came out was:

There is NO INTEREST IN THE INGAME BROWSER (from people involved in Tournament play or big nullsec fleet battles and hence it is unnecessary) .
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#213 - 2014-07-14 13:46:46 UTC
Do people really sit around thinking up these sorts of changes, then complain how the world is turning bad on them? I really can't believe I read this..."thinking" of losing the in-game browser. I'd suggest whomever is engaged in this sort of thought change the subject of their thoughts to something less eventful like - "should I do my nails, or wait?"

Is there any way we can get a rope around these people to prevent them from having any influence on not only this game, but other things in life as well? I tell you, if we can't we're in real trouble here...not just in this game, but....

I think I'll go sit in stunned silence for a while. Get rid of the in-game browser...
OUTRAGEOUS.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#214 - 2014-07-14 14:10:46 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Do people really sit around thinking up these sorts of changes, then complain how the world is turning bad on them? I really can't believe I read this..."thinking" of losing the in-game browser. I'd suggest whomever is engaged in this sort of thought change the subject of their thoughts to something less eventful like - "should I do my nails, or wait?"

Is there any way we can get a rope around these people to prevent them from having any influence on not only this game, but other things in life as well? I tell you, if we can't we're in real trouble here...not just in this game, but....

I think I'll go sit in stunned silence for a while. Get rid of the in-game browser...
OUTRAGEOUS.

Doing the nails can actually be pretty eventfull, you know? :p

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Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#215 - 2014-07-14 17:05:20 UTC
The fact that CCP is even considering doing away with the IGB shows just how out of touch they are with the needs and wants of the average player. I use the IGB every time I'm logged in because it allows me to check various sites without having to leave the Eve client. To me this is an important feature.

CREST may be awesome but, it's a developers tool. It means nothing to the average player. To even equate CREST with the way we use the IGB for looking at links, accessing websites, etc. is simply ludicrous. It's not the same, CCP! Not even close.

Please stop taking away in game features and forcing us to rely on third party apps, dual monitors and other unnecessary workarounds!
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2014-07-14 17:14:46 UTC
First, I agree with most of your post Anabella
Anabella Rella wrote:
Why remove a convenient in-game feature that's widely used and force us to rely on a second display, a smartphone, tablet, etc.?

Security. Try reading the other posts.

Anabella Rella wrote:
As another poster pointed out, when the current IGB was created it was touted as a major upgrade in terms of both functionality and future maintainability. Was that all just hogwash? Was CCP being dishonest with us then or, are they being dishonest now?

What the hell does being wrong have to do with being dishonest? Technology has changed a huge amount in the past 11 years, and expecting the best solution to a problem to stay constant with the advent of new technologies is asanine, ignorant, and plain stupid. Many of the technologies CCP is replacing the IGB with did either did not exist at the time that the IGB was added, or were very recent and untested at the time.

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rswfire
#217 - 2014-07-14 19:49:59 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
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That is probably the longest post I've ever read from you, and you did it from a phone. Kudos.

I think you point out many of the concerns and offer potential solutions to them, but none of the solutions will fix the main issue with removal of the IGB: The fact that if it is removed, we cannot use the browser in game! You are essentially forcing us to alt-tab or use a second screen if you remove the IGB and this is bad for {many reasons}. That said, the fact the IGB is based on IE6 (afaik) is also really awful and I can understand that it is challenging to update this to a more modern browser while remaining secure. I haven't really looked into this myself but I suspect that there are modern browsers with embeddable features to them; perhaps you could look into that. The IGB is an integral part of Eve and CREST cannot replace it; it can only enhance some things, but it cannot replace the IGB.

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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#218 - 2014-07-14 20:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Tronic
rswfire wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
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That is probably the longest post I've ever read from you, and you did it from a phone. Kudos.

I think you point out many of the concerns and offer potential solutions to them, but none of the solutions will fix the main issue with removal of the IGB: The fact that if it is removed, we cannot use the browser in game! You are essentially forcing us to alt-tab or use a second screen if you remove the IGB and this is bad for {many reasons}. That said, the fact the IGB is based on IE6 (afaik) is also really awful and I can understand that it is challenging to update this to a more modern browser while remaining secure. I haven't really looked into this myself but I suspect that there are modern browsers with embeddable features to them; perhaps you could look into that. The IGB is an integral part of Eve and CREST cannot replace it; it can only enhance some things, but it cannot replace the IGB.


It is based on Chromium not IE. Thanks for ignoring 90% of the thread.
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
#219 - 2014-07-14 21:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Korvus Falek
CCP FoxFour wrote:


Things like Overwolf I think it's called.


Just addressing this part, because overall, removing the IGB is a terrible idea. Just update it to a better version of chrome .

As for overwolf...Its trash, please dont encourage or push strongly for people to use overlay programs. We wouldnt have to use overlays in the first place if the in game tools and UI werent **** to begin with. Luckily, with EvE, its not mandatory to use an overlay or extra "add-ons and mods" to do well; like some other games.
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#220 - 2014-07-15 00:46:57 UTC
honestly, i use the IGB, but if CCP decided to nix it, you wouldn't catch me crying in the corner with a bowl of porridge. change is good.

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