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No more popups plz. The less clicking the better. Currently it shows as delivered when successful and failed (in orange letters) when unsuccessful, even shows an orange line during the job delivery. I'd say it's a pretty decent notification.

Someone help me here.


Tech1 conversion is simple.
1->5
2->7
3-4 -> 8
5-9 -> 9
10+ -> 10

Tech2 conversion looks like BPO's were converted as above, yet invention bpcs look to have had some other odd conversion.
ME and PL look to be converted differently.

-4-4 prints have adjusted to 6/14
-1-1 prints have adjusted to 9/18

Why didn't tech2 bpos automagically move to 10/20 (all of mine are 10+ in game anyhow, but I think this question is still valid).

And how exactly are bpcs getting converted.
My assumption is that they are using the same formula as for bpos, just applying the waste differently
So assuming all wastage factors were the same (.1, ignoring odd prints and drones)
Tech1/Tech2 BPO
ML = ROUNDUP(10-(10/(1+ME)))
TE = 2*(ROUNDUP(10-(10/(1+PL))))

TECH2 BPC
ML = ROUNDUP(10-(8/(7+ME)))
TE = 2*ROUNDUP(10-(7/(6+PL)))

Is this correct, is that how all of the bpo's were converted, and is that how they'll stay?.


Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere..
The devblog on "tech2" conversions has not happened yet.
And the only statement

Doesn't seem to resemble what I am seeing, but perhaps its just me.
And why the heck does the forum say my account is less than 2 days old...

I really dont like that i cannot see what is required for invention until I have a BPC

You cannot click on the invention tab - until you are in a station that allows it AND you have an appropriate BPC

How are you to buy all the bits needed for invention - when you cannot even see what is required for it until you get to a system that allows it? This does not allow for any planning or understanding that you need certain skills etc.... to actually invent.

in the current TQ design you can click on any of the blue print tabs and it shows what is required for invention or building etc....

Now it seems to suppress the ability to view those details unless you are in an appropriate location OR have the appropriate type of print available.

has there been any formalization on the outpost upgrade changes? is there a planned dev blog on this? are we just expected to figure it out?

-4 -4 T2 Invuln Field BPC on TQ needs 5 of the various T2 intermediate product shield emitters.
2 days ago, on Singularity, that BPC had been converted to a 6% / 14% BPC. That BPC needed 8 of the same shield emitters.

-4 -4 T2 Large Shield Extender BPC on TQ needed 8 Hydrogen Batteries and 8 Sustained Shield Emitters.
2 days ago, on Singularity, that BPC had been converted to a 6% / 14% BPC. That BPC needed 12 batteries and 12 of the same shield emitters.

All my -4 -4 BPC's have been converted at that rate, which is 50% higher materials, rounded upwards, but before any null sec material advantages.

That is CCP's idea of "reasonable".

Can't get on Singularity at the moment, or I'd check myself. But how do the converted "no decryptor" BPCs compare with newly-created ones in terms of materials required?

Ah, I see now. The issue isn't so much that the conversion of non-decryptor BPCs is unreasonable -- indeed, it would seem to be perfectly reasonable given that "naked" pre-Crius BPCs will be more efficient than post-Crius ones invented in the same way -- but that non-decryptor inventions in general will be uneconomic.

Given that build costs are going to increase anyway, it makes sense to churn out as much as we can of whatever we can in the next week. And now Singularity is available again there's still time to run checks and tweek the lines to get ready.

T2 module prices will certainly increase, and I'm sure most of what I'm selling now is going to speculators banking on that fact :-) Where the price will end up once all that stock is used depends on far too many factors for me to work it out, and I'll let the smart people muse on how things like build-time changes and the (relatively) limited supply of decryptors will play out.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/researching-the-future/?_ga=1.156211320.2113876889.1395483922


so it's :
1 ->5
2 ->6
3 -> 7
4 -> 8
5-9 -> 9
10+ -> 10

It took me a very long time to accept that since ME2 is 3.3% waste...


On other subject, please CCP do something about :
- small rig BPO : hundreds of million to get to ME10 when ME0 is already perfect sounds like a broken target price xD (isk sink / collector items ?? )
- Change capital part : divide size by 10 (5000m3 > 500m3), multiply need by 10, change, divide manufacturing time by 10 and cost by 10 (or multiply output by 10) ? You will feel the benefits in researching ME lvl ...

Whilst I understand the logic of removing the invention requirements from BPO, it makes invention less accessible as for new person to see the invention requirements means they are going to have to take a punt and buy and copy the BPO - unless you are also adding a new in-game resource to check this it means you will only be able to get this information from a third party tool which I believe is counter to your previously stated design goals.

Also, trying to view a BPO on the market gives an error message of "The requested blueprint cannot be found" trying to view the blueprint of an installed job gives a similar error message.

Still not much chance of getting on Singularity, but I spent enough time to check that figures matched those given by the calculator at http://bp.kiwi.frubar.net/calc/.

I see what you mean about the Adaptive Invulns, and 200mm Autocannons are even worse with a 56% increase in material cost. They aren't all that bad, though -- Damage Controls are only up 4.5% and 100MN ABs up 9%, for example. So there's a lot of variation, it isn't as simple as "use up all your T2 BPCs before Crius", and anyone maxing out production over the next few days should use the calculator to determine their priorities.

Better news going forward -- non-decryptor inventing will still be cost effective for many items, at least at current prices. Ignoring any time benefits, non-d inventions give the cheapest 100MN ABs, while with DC IIs, Adaptives and 200mm Autos they are second only to Augmented inventions and close enough that any price increase Augmentations will soon change that.

So yes, there will be increased production costs -- in some cases, very large increases. BUT there are some huge reductions in manufacturing times -- your Adaptive Invulns drop from 2d 5h to 9h 30m for 10 runs on-station -- and in the cases I checked the profit/hour was ball-park similar or, in many cases, significantly improved.

You'll have to run your own figures but, from what I've seen, this is far from the death knell for Hi-Sec T2 production.