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Work together.

Or pick up your operation and move around Empire all the time chasing the teams for your production line vs avoiding the high demand systems with elevated costs.

Or sit still in a backwater area where you don't have teams to use but don't have competition pushing up the job costs, and spend extra time freightering your stuff to Jita.

Or put in bids for the more neglected teams that produce low-value items, try to make up the cost with volume and corner a market for a month.

Or do any other thing you like other than sit in a single station within 1-4 jumps of Jita and do the same thing over and over with no real interaction with any other player. Industry is now a multiplayer game.



Incursion runners were cooperative until they got popular enough and perfected clearing sites so well that there wasn't enough supply to go around. Low & nullsec incursions were choked off because they weren't worth doing compared to highsec's machine. Then they started turning on each other. Maybe industrialists will do the same?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Gave me a good laugh. In EVE, the person with the lowest production cost sets the price, not the other way around. And not even that is true in all cases because there are trolls, arbitrarily de- or increasing prices.

Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.


(If your entire vision of your place in this game is as hapless hopeless prey, why do you play? Plenty of people have achieved things in this game by nutting up and taking their chances. They delt with the same problems. But you doom yourself because you won't even try.)

The day I have to start learning how to use a spreadsheet to play an online game is the day I give my laptop to my grandkids and buy a console.

I left school over 40 YEARS ago..I still work 10 hour shifts so when I get in I just want to chill with a few beers and some game time, not sit a sodding math exam every day!

I seriously think that the Devs and CSM have totally lost any idea of what most players want out of a game, and that's sad

I still can't see WTF the inputs are, when are we going to get Labels on that stuff seriously, NOT EVERYONE REMEMBERS THE ******* ICONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hisec industry has more than enough money to dominate the market in teams. Leveraging this will require more co-operation and collaboration than currently exists. We're pretty hopeful that, once the initial shock of change has worn off, at least one system in hisec will realize this and lead the way for everyone else, leading hisec industry to be a much more casually collaborative activity, which we think adds a lot of value for all those players. This doesn't require a huge amount of formal co-operation, just an agreement on what teams you want to target and how much everyone is willing to chip in.

We will be keeping an eye on this, and if it ends up not working out and hisec industry remains completely resistant to any kind of social interaction with other players, we'll revisit this.



Deliberately a balance that constantly shifts, in order to drive two consistent questions: when do I follow (weighing the bonuses available from a move against the costs of doing so and predictions of future fluctuations), and what can I do to make that less frequent (bid for teams).



Yes, you can hire to wormhole systems. We do have a solution for how we're exposing this through the API/CREST, I believe, but the people who know what that solution is aren't at their desks right now.



There's no "max bonus" per se; the caps listed are just the number of arrays of that type you can fit at an optimal tower, and we've then reverse-engineered the bonus quantities to be in the ~20-30% range for that optimal tower setup.

OK, so two things:
- Firstly, you can always see this info in facilities you have access to, the question was whether you can get API data for these things
- Secondly, I was wrong about what we're doing with CREST/API, we had discussed doing some special-casing but it turns out we decided against exposing any wormhole industry information through these channels at this time.

The person who manufactures the modules at the lowest price, which satisfies the market's requirements sets the price.

If I can make 100 things at 1 isk each, but the market requires 10,000 (in the time it takes me to make the next 100), I don't set the price. The people who make the rest of the 10,000 do.

That's why T2 BPOs (in the current system) only make invention unprofitable in a very small number of markets, where they're able to fufil the whole market by themselves.

Again, at the risk of getting off topic, I'd say it's the person who *sells* at the lowest price. That's an important distinction. For Eve, I'd say the person who can adjust his items for sale the most often controls the pace of how pricing varies. It's not demand as much as it is velocity. The person selling 10,000 units in one order has less sway over one person selling 20 units across 4 orders if both are actively changing orders as often as they can to remain in the lowest spot. Now if one of the bidders disengages and waits, your point picks up weight.

It gets fuzzy :-) but the reference to the NASH equilibrium is that each player will maximize the amount he can make from a transaction, which includes passing along the costs for inflation, and never pricing solely based on his cost, but on the existing market price. This is implied by the very changes being discussed. Ostensibly the person paying higher fees will have see less profit than an optimized setup.

Put this into contrast with the idea of people collaborating to concentrate on production of an item type. Why would I want to collaborate with my competitor to make ships in a system?

If you export sell orders repeatedly over a short period of time to see how frequently orders change based on order id, I think you'd see your example in a different light.

p.s. I'm having a firesale on T2 advanced small ship assembly arrays. I suddenly have too many!

This concerns me somewhat. We currently run multiple lab slots because of pilot demand, but we also run weaponised POS with industry on the side. Crazy wormhole industrialists I know, but we do exist.

I fully expect that a highsec POS would be able to do more with a smaller POS due to relying on Concord for initial defense (at least until the wardecs happen.

I also would understand a mild increase in cpu/power grid for modules. I will no longer be running as many labs as I do now, so doubling (or even a little more) the requirements does make sense.

Please be aware that the primary use of LSAA's for many wormhole corps is secure storage and not ship building.
Doubling the fitting requirements LSAA's (without creating a very large corp hanger array as an option) may cause some forum angst.