Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I see you can throw stones well but in you're superior mind do you actually have any real ideas that bring us to a endstate of revitalizing nullsec and deals with the power projection problem? *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

The fact remains that nullsec as it stands is broken and has been for some time. I really think it would be cool to see a more diverse nullsec. I mean N3/PL control over 1500 systems and 500 stations and CFC controls a similar amount as well. Thats just dumb but we all are just playing with the tools and rules we are given. Everyone likes winning so in the end will exploit any advantage to improve chances of victory or victorious endstate. Real change needs to happen.

I've advocated something along these lines in the past, as have others. Allowing capital ships to use stargates, but still having them use their own jump drives (and use that fuel) is a sound plan. Instead of huge swaths of 'buffer' space against bridging, space will actually be used. Smaller alliances will be able to move into space abandoned by the larger alliances who can't maintain a proper defence on such a large area. Scouts will be able to see fleets coming instead of a neutral alt dropping a cyno being the first warning. Escorting convoys will be a thing again. Nullsec industry gets another boost. Hardcore pvper's start to appreciate having miners and industrialists in their midst. It's all good.

I like these ideas. With the exception that I would limit the changes to combat capitals. Leave JF as they are or nerf them only slightly. This would solve the logistical problems many have pointed out in this thread.

I agree, the bigger the ship the longer it should take to get places.
Supporting fleets outside your home base should require some logistical effort though.


We need more realistic logistics.


Ideas
-Remove jump drives from caps/super caps
-Add jump drivers to all sub cap combat ships, and still allow them to use gates, with a jump range of about what a dread has now, or less, with fuel usage comparable to current bridging usage by mass, or more
-Maybe reduce all ships warp speed significantly and allow in system jumps
-Allow subcaps to jump without cynos within a few AU of the destination star, to allow interdiction by probers in destination system
-Ban freighters from being able to carry jump fuel
-Give transports ships and special industrials the ability to carry fuel

Change jump fuel to be very in-expensive high volume so the challenge is not having enough isk to buy it...
The challenge is getting enough shipped to where you need it.

Also, for your sub cap to move at greatest rate of speed, you need jump fuel, otherwise you need to warp gate to gate at a reduced speed.


This could be done to not affect miners too much by simple increasing rates mined

That in itself would do a lot to limit power projection since only smaller sized ship raiding forces would have the ability to get places quick.

This would also promote locals to keep fuel off the public markets so they don't end up fueling hostile raids.

Since we are talking primarily about the power projection of Cap Fleets...

I don't think your Alpha Maels will make up the difference.

1. Add new pockets of npc space having stations / create new gate connections that each SOV region have connection to NPC space

2. Make SuperCapitals different than normal capitals, make them burn more fuel ( titan is burning the same amount of fuel like a carrier, but is few dozen times bigger ) and force them to use additional structures to initiate regional, or even a constellation jump.

3. Make capital jump drives different and crossing regions can be allowed only on specific locations, what more important regional jump will use 90% of capital fuel ... so better have fuel track ready.

4. Limit JF usage , at the cost of increasing null -> low wormhole chance.

5. Remove titan bridges , or at least make them less desirable
* for example people jumping to the systems get :
- spread ~ 5 AU from cyno
- AND have 1-2 minute session that don't allow them to do nothing ( "Excessive EM radiation from titans bridge requires all ship systems to reboot")

6. Make cynos mas dependent , so you cannot bridge a whole 255 man battleship fleet to one ibis cyno ship, or even better make cyno unstable after using 1/4 of its "transit" mass. It can go into unstable mode , not allowing any one else to bridge , and at the same time locking titans ability to bridge any one more until cyno will die , or ends its cycle.

7. Make holding sov more absorbing.
- you have to fight incursions, if you will not , you will loose SOV in those systems after 2 days, and in order to get it back you have to achieve some few day objective
- local rats assaulting player operations , why not let them shoot poses , do mini incursions to take back their systems
( please don't tell me that SOV should be only about PVP - check in game map "rats killed 24h", most of the nullsec players are farmers. And this 5-10% population mostly focused on pvp will have much more targets this way , as players will have to defend their poses, fight those incursions , or uprising)

8. Make sov status depended on your activity.
The more rats you kill , the higher sec status (-1.0 -> 0.0 ) , so less spawns, and worst type.
If system is idle it have its status lowering slowly ( 0.0 -> -1.0 ) and at -0.9 you get a local npc pirate uprising , if you will not fight it within 3 days after sov drops to -1.0 , they are victorious and all sov infrastructure is going off-line ( rats will hit those structures , so eventually they will kill TCU and ihub.

9. Force TCU location on 5 AU from any object , not on pos, stations etc.


There are many ways , but this require work , and CCP don't want to put any work in nullsec , and player base is shrinking.

I think you could probably do with allowing jumps within the constellation (I don't want to say region because they can vary in size pretty wildly), you're still talking about short range here if you do that but it seems to me that jump drives would only be useful for skipping through a gate camp if you're going to allow all capitals to jump through star gates. Additionally a system at the center of a constellation would get a lot more bang for the buck for using a jump bridge than one on a pipe system.

I haven't been playing since the beginning but I have been playing long enough to remember when people kept an up-to-date list of Titan pilots because it was still worth your time to do so. I believe when I started that number was 6. I also remember raids on sovereign space being a common thing. At one point I lived in Dekelin and we had systems within 5 jumps of the station in 3JN that were red systems despite technically being owned by us (or at least surrounded by us, my memory on this isn't perfect but there was an NPC station there). Content from them was daily at least.

Any changes made will not address the core issue which is that those in control of null must like it the way it is. If they didn't it is literally within their power to change it. Only a massive divide in the major coalitions can shake things up at this stage and failing that about the only other thing I can think of is merging our server with the Chinese one. The Mittani wouldn't have to try to find stories to write about then. The only other thing to do would be to add a few more regions in different areas of null sec which are vastly more lucrative than any currently in existence and let greed work its magic. If the two existing super coalitions could survive that intact then we would just have to wait out their lifespans before we will see any excitement ever again.

If it really is true that the richer you get the more you're afraid to lose any of it then this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I have seen people with enough cash to afford a personal Titan who won't go on a duo roam with me in a pair of T1 cruisers and an empty clone. My largest ship is an Archon and I keep just enough to replace it should it be lost (EVE golden rule and all that). Any suggestion which has any hope of shaking things up will be vetoed by coalitions with the most invested. We may simply have to wait for the rich coalitions to get bored enough to stop playing to the point where their sov lapses and hope beyond hope there is a possibility of reviving the game's numbers later on.

+1 (except the NPC trader thingy... find a better way to fix that).

To everyone saying that implementing those idea would make logistics impossible to keep things running on the current scale, that's the whole point of the changes proposed.

We're not looking for a solution that would do nothing, they HAVE TO make sustaining such incredibly large empire ~impossible or very tedious. The current status quo is the worst thing to happen in EVE in a long time. 2 coalitions with infinite income, agreeing to not attack each other, 2 smaller coaliton who are permitted to exist to generate "gud fights" for the line members. It's artificial, I love good fights like anybody else, but if it's ONLY fighting for the sake of fighting all the time, we're losing the sense of purpose here.

Maybe we could take a look at how WH corp lives and the mechanics in which they live in? I'm not saying turn all space to WH mechanics, but maybe we can learn something about it, there is no "supreme overlord" of WH space, everything happens on a much smaller scale. These corp do not have access to a JF and yet, they still manage to exist, don't they?

You could argue with me that they have much less jumps to do to reach empire space and resupply compared to the furthest 0.0 regions and that's true, maybe player buildable (and destructable) stargate would be the answer? Imagine, you live in Period Basis with your own little alliance who control the region and then you build a smuggler like stargate that links to querious and another one from there to Khanid. So in a very respectable number of jumps, you could be in low-sec empire space and then make your way to a trade hub.

You would need to patrol the supply pipe(s) and escort transport ship (Deep space transport with more cargo than they currently have could be nice here, mini-freighter designed for... deep space, you know?).
Moving large fleets could still be possible throught this new player made network of long range gate, but would be much more localized, static, predictable and counterable.

Hey mate look at this see what you think. This will not only solve the sov problem but also eventually disolve mega alliances or coalitions


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