Ships & Modules

Sorry for the academic fopa. "Arthropod."

It takes more than a minute to kill spawns anyway so I don't see how the 1 minute timer on bastion mode will affect you in the long run as long as you are paying attention to the timer. I have run lvl 4s both with the RNI and the Golem and I find that the ammo conservation of the Golem has it leading over the RNI in terms of the better mission runner.

Partially agree disagree with everything said here.
I like the new rattler too, although I liked it more as a passive boat.
Missiles and drones both have application issues that are ignored too often. Whenever you assign sentries you overkill a lot more then guns on smaller targets, and deal with DPS loss due to the 1 second response time.
One cycle is a big deal to me, being able to split your dps about 4 ways is too, or be able to move while you fire.
Missiles suffer a lot from defenders MUCH more imho then most people seem to recognize, defenders trigger per volley too so splitting dps will make you cry. I cant get my bearing on defenders sometimes I do 25% dps other times full.
Then you have instant dps from drones and delayed from missiles, overkill happens easily.
Add to that painter juggling, don't get me wrong though. RS does do a lot of damage but it wouldn't surprise me if it lost 15-20% of dps (compared to guns) just to how the weapon-systems work. And it takes a lot more, work.

Final edit: Id go with a Kronos, just me.

I disagree with opinions that support ship "A" is best and all the rest follow, for the majority of players. I agree with them, if this argument is suggested for each player individually. Each player using the same ship with exactly the same fit running the same missions will perform differently, time wise.And do we factor in cost & aesthetics or just the ones that have the highest applicable dps in EFT and add them to the list accordingly? The latter would be the easy step.

Taking into account the former, i personally wouldn't fly the SNI even if it was the highest dps mission running ship with that kind of looks.On the other hand Machariel looks amazing & has that so very important warp speed bonus that now makes all the difference in mission running. But I personally don't like turrets (for PvE) & I find the damn thing a little too big for my taste. I consider these, possibly strange sounding, personal quirks an important factor to my decision.

To make a long story short, during the years I have been running missions I ended up liking missiles instead of turrets, cruises instead of torps and heavy drones instead of sentries. Factoring in aesthetics & cost I ended up, quite easily I might add after the changes, to the Fleet Typhoon. I can't praise that ship high enough. Modifying the fit to accommodate more warp speed for obvious reasons I can personally submit the TFI as the ship I consider the highest dps ship (for me). All this taking into account the feeling I get while flying this ship. I perform better (and feel better) running missions with the TFI rather than any other worthy candidate ship for the same application (L4 Missions).

For someone else it could be the Mach or the Vindi, Rattle, RNI and so on. And that would be perfectly ok with me, as long as you are using a proper fit. At the end, the real differences, time wise, are so small that the most important factor besides a very good dps (which all these ships have) is aesthetics & cost and then which ship is the one that will make you finish this mission 1 or 2 minutes faster.

are you kidding me, with the typhoon's new looks it combines looks and dps. hopefully the domi's new model will help that space turd as well.

Oh no, it was a compliment. I'd like to see you posting more. Its nice to see somebody value aesthetics and enjoyment and playstyle rather than just blurting out "mach or go home". If it was an insult I would have said you need to lurk more.

I'm not a big fan of best ship above all philosophy either. EvE has enough variables for different ships to have different values.
The original posters questions s too general to answer correctly aside from literally.
So that's why I figured I'd answer with Kronos, it has the highest dps, although one could say vindicator but lets stick with the assumption you want to fly it more then once in a blue moon. That said I would fly it with a HAC ready for smaller lvl 4 missions.
IF the question would've been "most all round lvl4 mission boat?" then the answer would've been the Mach. But even then I wouldn't take it into Amarr space and it isn't SP friendly either in the least.
IT is indeed very subjective, and a question that keeps coming back in this format of "which is best".

Most truthful answer out there; pick a flavour and train to fly them all while steering clear of what is commonly acknowledged to be bad, like Rails often tend to be suboptimal, things like that

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I also want to apologise, as it appears I also removed a valid post made by Taegessia in error (and some of those reacting to it as well). To reflect that, I left the remaining posts reacting to it in the thread, something I normally would not do as it breaks thread consistency.


Edit. The original text of the erroneously removed post:

The follow-up.

The more and more I see these videos. The more I'm starting to see it your way.
The machariel seems to be becoming the only ship that competes with the RS based on completion times that I know form someone that uses it.
The Mach seems to excel in dealing with cruisers and frigs (and small/far away missions), but in a mission with a decent amount of BS and with ships engaging from further then 50km the RS wins out.
All these completion times and watching ships pop on a kronos make me feel like my rattler (although lots of work and SP intensive) does a lot better. MY last completion time for Angel Blockade was 15 min, and Im close but not maxed out on damage skills and don't use skill implants.
Can't wait to fly something different and compare, since I don't get a look into the character sheet of whomever posts these vids.
And a gunboat really needs maxed skills, since the final little skills make a huge difference in the area of a 100dps so hard to use these vids for an honest comparison with so little additional information.

P.S. The kronos I have ready in pyfa is going to do between 1625 and 1566 dps, only bling being 2 fed navy mag stabs.