These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Where is the Counter-CODE?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-06-26 16:27:48 UTC
More Quafe Please wrote:
Ji Hyu Song wrote:
Soylent Jade wrote:


Can you show me where it's against the EULA to gank someone over and over? If they make an effort to avoid us (as outlined in the official bumping response thread), perhaps, but not staying in an area where enforcement is going on.


Bumping for the sake of bumping is harassment. Bumping to make the kill is not.


Extortion doesn't have to involve murder.

If I want to sit on a gate and bump away every industrial ship I can as a "blockade" and demand payment to pass, I can.

If I want to bump a mining barge over and over again refusing to allow him to mine and continue to do so until he pays me a mining fee, I can.

Heck, I can "lay claim" to an area and just bump everyone I want, because I want to. Don't want to get bumped? Avoid the system I'm in.


Now, if I were to hunt down and chase an industrial pilot or a miner, stalking them from region to region via locator agents, specifically targeting them after they've made a reasonable attempt to avoid me, that's harassment.

Bumping can be a form of extortion and piracy and that is well within the game rules. It doesn't have to involve setting up a kill.


You have to "gain" from the activity in some way. Bumping for the purpose of upsetting other players is not allowed. Bumping for the purpose of in game profit, kills, or other tangible in game assets is fine.

Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2014-06-26 19:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Voyager Arran wrote:
The dynamics of counter-ganking also tend to make it mind-numbingly boring compared to being the jerks murdering stuff. A counter-ganking sits around for an indefinite period of time hoping that gankers will eventually come and be foiled by him. He has to be paying attention continuously, for his ward could probably be killed in the time it takes him to go to the bathroom. For the same degree of at-the-keyboard tedium, he could probably just go run missions and make more money than the miner he's protecting.

Now compare this to the experience of a ganker, who undocks or maybe two minutes at a time, blows up something shiney, and then tabs out for 15 minutes and does something else while his GCC ticks down. In the event that there is counter-ganker in a belt or whatever who would be able to interfere with a gank, they just go kill some other idiot in the next belt or whatever. Their fun continues unabated, and the counter-ganker achieves success in the most tedious forum imaginable, if at all. TL;DR: ask yourself how many competent combat pilots you know that would be willing to sit in a belt all day waiting to maybe shoot some Catalysts and you have your answer for why counter-ganking movements never take off.


Well said. Yes, anti-ganking can be tedious at times, especially if you're patroling belts trying to stop ganks. But you can also just hang out and try to shoot ganker ships on sight. Most have sec status -5 or below, so they're targets that can be legally engaged in high sec. It's an opportunity for some casual solo pvp. And the ganker vs. anti-ganker smack talk/head games in local can be pretty entertaining too.
Anslo
Scope Works
#83 - 2014-06-26 20:44:57 UTC
Can't be arsed to raise my sec status.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#84 - 2014-06-26 21:12:27 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Can't be arsed to raise my sec status.


Among other things.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
More Quafe Please
Doomheim
#85 - 2014-06-27 03:01:43 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:


You have to "gain" from the activity in some way. Bumping for the purpose of upsetting other players while following them or stalking them from system to system is not allowed. Bumping for the purpose of in game profit, kills, or other tangible in game assets is fine.


This is correct.

If I wish to 'upset' and 'scare' other players out of a system while pushing an agenda, I can. If I choose to continually follow them from system to system doing this in an apparent effort to target them then yes that would be harassment.

System control is a tangible asset. "This system is MINE. Anyone who comes through gets bumped back out of it." Avoiding me is as simple as altering your trade route.

Regardless, every case is judged on a case-by-case basis.

Have you had your daily dose of Quafe?

A compliant miner is a happy miner. Get your mining permit today.