EVE General Discussion

They merely increased the amount of plexes available so systems will be flipped in droves by the people who have alts/manpower to burn. With one simple change they have managed to make the plexing scene even more of a travesty in a way that favours the use of alts to an even greater degree .. although not if you happen to be Gallente or Amarr because the missile spam they face still requires gangs to clear/survive in most cases.

Plexing activity increase is temporary. The system itself is still very much broken so the massive dis-/-advantages that were present before are still there .. just more cases now. In a few months they will be used to farm standings for the various freebies and alts will likely be recycled after payout of said freebies.

One character .. ONE BLOODY CHARACTER can now make TWO systems vulnerable PER DAY (if unopposed and an insomniac). Compare that to the silly null monkeys who have up to two full days or more of buffer for just about everything .. governments/empires are not known for their efficiency but holy crap, taking it a bit to the extreme don't you think?

Want to take bets on how/why they settled on this particular change? My money is on their beloved metrics, they probably had a spider count all the instances that the various things have been mentioned over the past three years and then went with it without actually giving it any thought.

Because there is nothing more fun than a Bunker Bust, amirite guys?

I'm so glad they nerfed the Federation Omni Directional Tracking Link. Really. As if Gallente FW missions weren't already the hardest to do with jamming rats and missile spam, now we have our key item raped and thrown under a bus by CCP's lack of foresight. You made an item that's just as good and cost almost nothing. Thanks for nothing CCP.

There used to be a tiny number of people who used to do plexing right after downtime. They could plex for an hour or 2 and accomplish something that they knew no one could really effect the entire rest of the day. Thats no longer the case. Now the people who sign in after them can have an effect.

So the very few people who would plex right after down time correctly feel that what they did is not as significant as it used to be. What minute significance plexing had has now been spread out over the 23 hours instead of just concentrated in 1 hour. So to some extent the significance of their plexing has been diluted by 23.

However for people like me who could never play after downtime - well I'm now getting my rightful 1/23rd of the pointlessness - if I want it.

This change is a good one. But the major problems remain:


The question is how can they make plexing meaningfull?

There are 3 general views:

1) give me isk/rewards for plexing (lp payout/require vp to cash in lp etc.)

2) give me consequences for plexing (don't let the enemy dock there/have stations change ownership etc.)

3) Make plexing an activity that the community respects. (make it pvp instead of pve - not just blob wins etc.)

I think CCP needs to look at all three of these things. But IMO the most important one, by far, is the 3rd.

FW had only one real problem and that was plex spawning. CCP fixed that so now there should be possibility to have fights again.

It may take a while to see effects and i am sure that if nothing happens CCP will do something else, but this was best and easiest fix to do now.

up!
I'ts simple ccp:
Give us LP for finishing plexes.
Switch station ownership.

Having now played with the 30m respawn 'fix' to FW, I think this may finally push me away from plexing completely. Until actual fixes or atleast some balances are applied, there is no point.

One of the biggest problems with the plexing, pointless as it is right now, is the huge glut of plexes that spawn after downtime. That has not changed, all they did was allow for a thin amount of fighting to continue later in the day. It is still an issue of have a strong post DT crew or do not bother. Hours of pre-DT work end up being completely being undone by a handful of alts.

System occupation has at this point stopped really representing anything. Atleast pre-'fix' it showed the dedication of those few FW players that still put some measure the little bit of pride that could be gained.

My analytical skilzzzzzz strikes again. Called it even before I had undocked into the brave new FW world.

/me pats self on back (harder than it looks at my age!!!)

CCP heard complaints about a dog-turd on the sidewalk, dumped a wheelbarrow full of cow-dung and dirt on top and renamed it a compost heap. Problem solved, right .. turd is gone right?

They actually managed to make it even more pointless .. quite an achievement considering the state it was in before .. hahahahaha.

I don't understand here. Is the post downtime still the key to success and that is the problem?

For me the problem is and always has been I don't want to go running around low sec doing pve.

It sounds to me like plexing is still a pve-drudgery instead of pvp-fun.

Until ccp changes this I am glad there are no consequences for occupancy.

One more question: The op is still hand wringing over pirate frigates going in minors. Is anyone flying anything other than a destroyer in minors now? I anticipate the destroyer boost will have done more to kill the diversity of ships in minors than any faction frigate ever could. Is it time to change the suggestion in the op? Kick both pirate frigs and destroyers out?

Who do we contact in CCP so they keep the ball rolling on planned updates for FW? We have to keep the pressure on CCP. I never understood ccp position on FW. FW has the potential to be massive cash cow for the company yet they choose to ignore it.