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Bring me the head of a CFC titan pilot!

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#701 - 2014-06-24 23:21:52 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
I only wished the CFC/Goons all had killboards like yours the war would be over already


https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=766916

talking about docking up and not fighting... thats an understatement


No thank you for the tears ....I can collect in space and on the internets


By your own link, there, I have a better killboard efficiency than you do, and I don't actually care what it is.

Look at you, sobbing! tears!

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#702 - 2014-06-24 23:22:39 UTC
only 97% lmao mordus fail beaten by a goonie who barely even logs in

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#703 - 2014-06-24 23:25:51 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
I only wished the CFC/Goons all had killboards like yours the war would be over already


https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=766916

talking about docking up and not fighting... thats an understatement


No thank you for the tears ....I can collect in space and on the internets


You are the best thing to happen to this thread outside of Gevlon's intermittent cameos. Absolutely hilarious.
MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH
Scumlords
#704 - 2014-06-24 23:28:10 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
only 97% lmao mordus fail beaten by a goonie who barely even logs in



yeah except I kill as much as you do in your eve career in a month

slightly different orders of magnitude


seems reality is not part of the goon hive mind ..

anyway ..have fun trolling poor Gevlon Goblin...

I wont see you on your "non deployment" down south


Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#705 - 2014-06-24 23:38:13 UTC
Ok, I think its time to stop talking about this all and start talking about my awesome monocle ! Cool

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#706 - 2014-06-24 23:48:09 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
only 97% lmao mordus fail beaten by a goonie who barely even logs in



yeah except I kill as much as you do in your eve career in a month

slightly different orders of magnitude


lmao dis n00b.

it means with less practice i do betterer than you do.

you do out there every day and still not as good as me???







needless space





















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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#707 - 2014-06-24 23:57:19 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
I only wished the CFC/Goons all had killboards like yours the war would be over already


https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=766916

talking about docking up and not fighting... thats an understatement


No thank you for the tears ....I can collect in space and on the internets


yes, comparing one person to an alliance is totally a FANTASTIC way to determine an alliance's health.

herp derp try harder
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#708 - 2014-06-25 04:22:02 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
MASSADEATH, to prove MOA is a relevant alliance and not at all an alliance that brings like five guys at most to a fight, links a bunch of killmails with the vast majority of the hostiles being Tri or BL

that's some great success there MASSADEATH, "we had someone show up"

Actually, this is why I use de-whored kills in my statistics. If one MoA guy shows up in a BL or Tri gang and does 1% on a 100M kill, I give him 1M damage and 99M to the others. Here is the list of CFC de-whored kills per alliance in May (the month of Daras):
#1: PL - 205B
#2: BL - 193B
#3: Marmite - 188B
#4: Mordus Angels - 152B
#5: Triumvirate - 125B
#6: NC. - 123B
#7: Pasta syndicate - 100B
#8: Darwins Lemmings - 96B
#9: Sorry We're In Your Space Eh - 54B
#10: Nulli Secunda - 51B

Here is the historic data for Mordus against CFC: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9xegMeBh6QU/U4R6v1ZbduI/AAAAAAAAI_Y/nwDxSUGZujg/s800/mordus2.png
Again: the kills are de-whored and only their CFC kills and losses to CFC are listed.

As I mentioned before, the key of the Goon power is the lie that one needs to build a strong coalition of thousands of dudes to fight CFC. It makes anti-Goons waste their time with diplomacy or simply joining a coalition. In reality "enemy" coalitions are treaty bound or simply afraid of losses. Everyone remembers when Montolio wanted to really be "enemy" and his own coalition turned on him. Both PL and N3 prefer to kill noobs in Providence than risking a 50-50 war against CFC.

In the meantime independent people cause 4x more damage to CFC than other coalitions, and it was true historically. In 2013, only 22% of GSF's losses came from other Sov-holders, despite the Fountain campaign, Asakai and big part of the Haloween war.

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Kryptonian1
ShadowFIre Industries
#709 - 2014-06-25 04:23:55 UTC
Mordus getting dunked by LAWN https://zkillboard.com/related/30004751/201406250200/ lmao

Hey Gobs I thought your mercenaries were supposed to be attacking the heart of darkness in Deklein how come they're in Delve?
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#710 - 2014-06-25 04:44:44 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
MASSADEATH, to prove MOA is a relevant alliance and not at all an alliance that brings like five guys at most to a fight, links a bunch of killmails with the vast majority of the hostiles being Tri or BL

that's some great success there MASSADEATH, "we had someone show up"

Actually, this is why I use de-whored kills in my statistics. If one MoA guy shows up in a BL or Tri gang and does 1% on a 100M kill, I give him 1M damage and 99M to the others. Here is the list of CFC de-whored kills per alliance in May (the month of Daras):
#1: PL - 205B
#2: BL - 193B
#3: Marmite - 188B
#4: Mordus Angels - 152B
#5: Triumvirate - 125B
#6: NC. - 123B
#7: Pasta syndicate - 100B
#8: Darwins Lemmings - 96B
#9: Sorry We're In Your Space Eh - 54B
#10: Nulli Secunda - 51B

Here is the historic data for Mordus against CFC: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9xegMeBh6QU/U4R6v1ZbduI/AAAAAAAAI_Y/nwDxSUGZujg/s800/mordus2.png
Again: the kills are de-whored and only their CFC kills and losses to CFC are listed.

As I mentioned before, the key of the Goon power is the lie that one needs to build a strong coalition of thousands of dudes to fight CFC. It makes anti-Goons waste their time with diplomacy or simply joining a coalition. In reality "enemy" coalitions are treaty bound or simply afraid of losses. Everyone remembers when Montolio wanted to really be "enemy" and his own coalition turned on him. Both PL and N3 prefer to kill noobs in Providence than risking a 50-50 war against CFC.

In the meantime independent people cause 4x more damage to CFC than other coalitions, and it was true historically. In 2013, only 22% of GSF's losses came from other Sov-holders, despite the Fountain campaign, Asakai and big part of the Haloween war.


So your message is: despite doing more damage to cfc, independent groups still fail to do anything relevant to cfc. Good show.
BTW. Do you have an alt in moa?

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#711 - 2014-06-25 05:03:01 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Ok, I think its time to stop talking about this all and start talking about my awesome monocle ! Cool


So... what's wrong with your face that you decided it needed a v***** ?

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Whole Squid
#712 - 2014-06-25 05:06:41 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
As I mentioned before, the key of the Goon power is the lie that one needs to build a strong coalition of thousands of dudes to fight CFC. It makes anti-Goons waste their time with diplomacy or simply joining a coalition. In reality "enemy" coalitions are treaty bound or simply afraid of losses. Everyone remembers when Montolio wanted to really be "enemy" and his own coalition turned on him. Both PL and N3 prefer to kill noobs in Providence than risking a 50-50 war against CFC.

In the meantime independent people cause 4x more damage to CFC than other coalitions, and it was true historically. In 2013, only 22% of GSF's losses came from other Sov-holders, despite the Fountain campaign, Asakai and big part of the Haloween war.


Yeah I remember Montolio. He thought like you and thought a coalition wasn't needed and that diplomacy was dumb. That resulted in the death of his alliance but only after they scammed you for tens of billions. Most of which ended up being in the hands of CFC spies (how does it feel to fund your enemy by the way?). That seems like pretty conclusive evidence that coalitions are a winning strategy and you have no hope of competing in a meaningful way without one.

Also, say for the sake of argument that you were actually capable of drawing correct conclusions based on available data rather than the confirmation bias sperg thing you currently do, and say you are right and the independents are doing 4x the damage of enemy coalitions and that is crushing us. How does that reconcile with the fact that we are building (and spending isk on) supers and titans at an unprecedented rate, paying for Mittens 3rd Ferrari via RMT with enough left over to guarantee that I could plex my accounts next month using SRP payouts alone if I wanted?

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Eyrun Mangeiri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#713 - 2014-06-25 05:32:51 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Also, say for the sake of argument that you were actually capable of drawing correct conclusions based on available data rather than the confirmation bias sperg thing you currently do, and say you are right and the independents are doing 4x the damage of enemy coalitions and that is crushing us. How does that reconcile with the fact that we are building (and spending isk on) supers and titans at an unprecedented rate, paying for Mittens 3rd Ferrari via RMT with enough left over to guarantee that I could plex my accounts next month using SRP payouts alone if I wanted?


Well, then you are clearly lying. ;)

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#714 - 2014-06-25 08:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
As I mentioned before, the key of the Goon power is the lie that one needs to build a strong coalition of thousands of dudes to fight CFC. It makes anti-Goons waste their time with diplomacy or simply joining a coalition. In reality "enemy" coalitions are treaty bound or simply afraid of losses. Everyone remembers when Montolio wanted to really be "enemy" and his own coalition turned on him. Both PL and N3 prefer to kill noobs in Providence than risking a 50-50 war against CFC.

In the meantime independent people cause 4x more damage to CFC than other coalitions, and it was true historically. In 2013, only 22% of GSF's losses came from other Sov-holders, despite the Fountain campaign, Asakai and big part of the Haloween war.

You are, in effect, about 1% right (high praise, I know) - you don't need a coalition to get goon killmails. In fact, getting Goon killmails is so trivially easy, that one-man corps and solo roamers do it every single hour, of every single day.
In fact in fact, it has happened to us every single hour, of every single day,of our entire existence.

The problem, for you, is that us losing ships doesn't make the corp, alliance, or coalition especially, any weaker. It's a natural part of having fun in the game. Fun, that thing you don't realize exists.

Let's live in a fantasy world, where 100mil lost isn't really only about 30mil due to insurance re-coups.
Let's live in a fantasy world, where my corp doesn't give me back 200% of everything I lose because they want to pay me to PVP.

Even if 100mil lost, means 100mil lost, that's still a scenario where people are losing pretend money, to have real fun. Only in your warped mind, is every loss of pretend money a reason to start breaking down and crying. Our number one piece of advice to new bees: 'Go out, lose 100 ships, get paid, lose 100 more". In your mind, we should be saying "OH MY GOD WHATTTT NO DONT LOSE A SHIP IF YOU LOSE A SINGLE SHIP THEN IT GOES ON A GRAPH SOMEWHERE AND BLAH BLAH WE WILL ALL LOSE OUT!".

The fact that you repeatedly compare (cumulative) highsec losses to supercap losses in Daras & Asakai, shows that you have absolutely no concept of the strategic importance of where, when and how the kills happen.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#715 - 2014-06-25 09:13:47 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
MASSADEATH, to prove MOA is a relevant alliance and not at all an alliance that brings like five guys at most to a fight, links a bunch of killmails with the vast majority of the hostiles being Tri or BL

that's some great success there MASSADEATH, "we had someone show up"

Actually, this is why I use de-whored kills in my statistics. If one MoA guy shows up in a BL or Tri gang and does 1% on a 100M kill, I give him 1M damage and 99M to the others. Here is the list of CFC de-whored kills per alliance in May (the month of Daras):
#1: PL - 205B
#2: BL - 193B
#3: Marmite - 188B
#4: Mordus Angels - 152B
#5: Triumvirate - 125B
#6: NC. - 123B
#7: Pasta syndicate - 100B
#8: Darwins Lemmings - 96B
#9: Sorry We're In Your Space Eh - 54B
#10: Nulli Secunda - 51B


For the month of June, PBLRD paid the CFC 601b in rent (minus PBLRD alliance level operating costs), and that afaik your figures always contain PBLRD losses, (which are probably the least insurable). Once you remove PBLRD losses (since the CFC doesn't reimburse them out of the rent), and remove the rent from the losses, and remove the insurance from the losses, you start looking at a scenario where the losses are getting close to covered without even touching internal CFC income, let alone corp wallets, private wallets etc.

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As I mentioned before, the key of the Goon power is the lie that one needs to build a strong coalition of thousands of dudes to fight CFC. It makes anti-Goons waste their time with diplomacy or simply joining a coalition. In reality "enemy" coalitions are treaty bound or simply afraid of losses. Everyone remembers when Montolio wanted to really be "enemy" and his own coalition turned on him. Both PL and N3 prefer to kill noobs in Providence than risking a 50-50 war against CFC.



No, the key to CFC power is 1000s of people logging on and kicking 1000s of other people out of their regions (logged on or otherwise), and the primary calculation in that figure is players logged on, in fleet at the deployment location, not isk. They plainly have enough isk to put the 1000s where they need to be, when they need to be there with sufficient resources to do the job.

Catalytic morphisis
Deep Space Coalition
Fraternity.
#716 - 2014-06-25 10:20:34 UTC
this thread just keeps on filling up with more and more hilarity, Now that MOA are also joining in this little gevlon cockfest it should brighten up my day even more! Please keep the selective killboard links coming! I don't know how to navigate them so clearly cannot see any other kills/battle reports!

I'm not even in the CFC and still find your attempts to belittle them laughworthy

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Ironic Irene
Doomheim
#717 - 2014-06-25 10:44:09 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:


I'm not even in the CFC and still find your attempts to belittle them laughworthy


Do you want to get in? Is that what all your tryhard butt fondling is in aid of?

There's no need. Send me 1b and a contract for everything you need hauling to VFK and I'll get you in within 24hrs.
Catalytic morphisis
Deep Space Coalition
Fraternity.
#718 - 2014-06-25 11:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Catalytic morphisis
No I don't want to get into the CFC, Rather content with my own corp with my personal friends doing what we enjoy.

Why would I ever need you to haul my stuff anywhere for me when I have JF's and carrier alts to do that sort of thing? (Let aside from the fact its a blatant scam attempt as your in an NPC corp)

Edit: I wouldn't class this as butt fondling, I just find gevlon's pointless exercise hilarious and will take any and all opportunities to mock him about it

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#719 - 2014-06-25 11:22:41 UTC
If he was trying to get into the CFC, he wouldn't need to "butt fondle", since pretty much anyone can get in. What he was pointing out is the laughable way that MOA leap into the thread throwing around killboard links acting like they are dunking us. It's the usual screams of a group too weak to be relevant.

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#720 - 2014-06-25 12:02:52 UTC
Ironic Irene wrote:
Catalytic morphisis wrote:


I'm not even in the CFC and still find your attempts to belittle them laughworthy


Do you want to get in? Is that what all your tryhard butt fondling is in aid of?

There's no need. Send me 1b and a contract for everything you need hauling to VFK and I'll get you in within 24hrs.



Hello NPC alt.

YA0-XJ is our new home and the going rate for a JF load in that direction is nowhere near 1 billion. You are a lousy scammer.

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