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Pine Marten
Doomheim
#321 - 2014-06-19 23:15:05 UTC
Tilly Delnero wrote:
More info would be nice, but at the same time it's not really any of our business.

Roll
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#322 - 2014-06-20 02:19:55 UTC
This laying people off saddens me.

I know CCP are trying to balance the books and get the company running smoothly but laying off good staff who been with the company since day one has sadden me Cry

I would like to the CCP staff that are leaving.

Thanks for the great years of fun and been great of what you have been doing for EvE Online and the EvE Community.

Wishing you the best for your future.

From 45thtiger 0109



**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#323 - 2014-06-20 02:46:12 UTC
Maz Ngomo wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:

I think that the stakes are on Crius and the industry rework. But that's not an attempt to increase PCU, actually, jsut a necessary step down the road to the next Jesus feature, coming in 2015 or whenever it's done.

There will be no more 'Jesus features'. CCP have stated as such and CCP never lie.

Of course, there will bo no more 'Interesting features' either, and the 'Innovative features' have had to be delayed until 2025 due to code spaghetti and API issues or something.


and Tidi ...

oh and ... grrr goons
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#324 - 2014-06-20 03:41:08 UTC
Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets...
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#325 - 2014-06-20 03:58:25 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets...


WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then.
I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both.

Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times.
Jaxo Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#326 - 2014-06-20 05:20:52 UTC
PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)

Has 10 pages on Eve/Valk/Legion.

Food for thought;

"The game generated $72 million for CCP last year"

"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#327 - 2014-06-20 05:35:02 UTC
Jaxo Enaka wrote:


"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"




Older than FPS communities but far younger than your typical combat flight sim community.
Maz Ngomo
#328 - 2014-06-20 06:03:45 UTC
Jaxo Enaka wrote:
PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)

"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"

I'm curious as to how they claim to know this since I for one have never revealed my age to CCP or PC Gamer. Judging by the increasing amount of immature behaviour of a lot of the players both in game and on the forums I would have figured it to be a lot lower.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#329 - 2014-06-20 06:10:16 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey Guys,

As some of you may have heard today, there’s been reports of job cuts here at CCP in the gaming media. As part of our strategy to focus on the EVE Universe, today we conducted a restructuring that resulted in the layoff of 49 people in our publishing organization.

This has been a really tough decision for us to make, and though it’s hard to say goodbye to our friends and family, this action concludes the process we started several months ago to restructure CCP.

CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for all those employees who are affected, and we wish them all the best for the future.

In terms of what this means for our games, development teams and plans for EVE Online, EVE: Valkyrie, DUST 514, and “Project Legion” are not impacted by the restructuring that has taken place today.

If you'd like to discuss what's happened today, feel free to do so in this thread.

Thanks,

- F



Totes joking.... but, last time you said "nobody's getting laid off", a bunch of people got laid off.

So, does this post mean that CCP actually hired a buttload of new employees?

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Prince Kobol
#330 - 2014-06-20 06:40:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets...


WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then.
I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both.

Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times.



As far as I am aware you have 2 primary groups.

One is a american venture capitalist firm called General Catalyst

The other is Novator Partners who are a Venture Capital & Private Equity Firm based in London. Birgir Ragnarsson is a partner in this firm as well as a CCP Chairman.

As to who has what percentage or what kind of control or influence they have, this is something we can only ever speculate on.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#331 - 2014-06-20 09:33:55 UTC
Obligatory my uncle told me EA plans to buy EvE
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#332 - 2014-06-20 17:23:56 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Maz Ngomo wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:

I think that the stakes are on Crius and the industry rework. But that's not an attempt to increase PCU, actually, jsut a necessary step down the road to the next Jesus feature, coming in 2015 or whenever it's done.

There will be no more 'Jesus features'. CCP have stated as such and CCP never lie.

Of course, there will bo no more 'Interesting features' either, and the 'Innovative features' have had to be delayed until 2025 due to code spaghetti and API issues or something.


and Tidi ...

oh and ... grrr goons


Yeah but to be fair, it was far worse before tidi. At that time you would take 20 minutes to load grid and often already be dead by the time it did during massive engagements.

Tidi is in no way a perfect solution though.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#333 - 2014-06-20 17:30:46 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:
Obligatory my uncle told me EA plans to buy EvE


Your uncle is wrong.

CCP has to fail MUCH harder before it even enters on EA's radars. They only take clinical cases of failure.

EvE Online portal | EvE markets tutorials
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#334 - 2014-06-20 18:12:03 UTC
Maz Ngomo wrote:
Jaxo Enaka wrote:
PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)

"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"

I'm curious as to how they claim to know this since I for one have never revealed my age to CCP or PC Gamer. Judging by the increasing amount of immature behaviour of a lot of the players both in game and on the forums I would have figured it to be a lot lower.


You never completed one of the umpteen EVE survey's?
Serene Repose
#335 - 2014-06-20 19:27:42 UTC
There was once this organization who is not permitted to be named aloud...who invited a discussion on something they obviously did wrong....that then deleted any input that was not flattering...then allowed the discussion to stray totally off the subject because they were indeed being flattered....then the bunny rabbit went back in its hole and the little girl woke up.

I love fairy tales!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#336 - 2014-06-20 19:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets...


WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then.
I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both.

Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times.



Except i'm not sure how you can claim the cash stream was mismanaged. Last year ccp made 10m more then the year before. The "loss" was only a loss because they decided to shift focus away for other projects completely, and thus all the work done on WoD for over 8 years had to be written off, which bring son layoffs. And this last round would be the final piece of cutting projects that they no longer wish to work on. Right now talking about CCP mismanaging cash is a bit silly. If in sept when the 6 month report comes out and you see a big loss still then you can worry. Till then this really is not anything.

Here is my issue, you can not ignore the fact that ccp has sense around 07 made profit, every year, except last year. And the only reason they did not make any last year was both the cutting of WoD and the cost to get Dust fully up and running. Thouse two factors alone ate into ccp's profits. So going 'omg they had a huge loss they are dying' is a bit silly, when they had an INCREASE in money by 10 million over the year before.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#337 - 2014-06-20 19:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Maz Ngomo wrote:
Jaxo Enaka wrote:
PC Gamer Issue 255 Aug 2014 (current issue)

"...average Eve player is between 25 and 35"

I'm curious as to how they claim to know this since I for one have never revealed my age to CCP or PC Gamer. Judging by the increasing amount of immature behaviour of a lot of the players both in game and on the forums I would have figured it to be a lot lower.


as you have to be 13 or older to play, one of the requirements when you make a new account is to put in your birthdate. Even if you lied, others won't. so they compile that info.

same way they know hoe manyh males and females play eve. There is a box asking your sex.

User id

e-mail

sex

age

They can then cross refence e-mail addresses to help determine true subscriber numbers vs accounts. I.e. if I have 10 accounts all liked to the same e-mail they can ignore the 9 accounts and say I am 1 subscriber.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#338 - 2014-06-20 19:52:20 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Look at it this way, less viable IP makes CCP less of a buyout target. Imagine if EA bought CCPs assets...


WHEN CCP gets bought out, it will be really interesting to see the direction of Eve then.
I should be careful. I am not entirely sure who precisely owns CCP, but as I understand, it is a consortium of private individuals / groups. Eventually, as CCP continues to mismanage their cash streams with some hugely expensive misadventures, the investors will say "enough", and have no choice but to fire the exec team, or sell the Eve IP, or both.

Who will buy the Eve IP, who knows? But it will indeed lead to some interesting times.



Except i'm not sure how you can claim the cash stream was mismanaged. Last year ccp made 10m more then the year before. The "loss" was only a loss because they decided to shift focus away for other projects completely, and thus all the work done on WoD for over 8 years had to be written off, which bring son layoffs. And this last round would be the final piece of cutting projects that they no longer wish to work on. Right now talking about CCP mismanaging cash is a bit silly. If in sept when the 6 month report comes out and you see a big loss still then you can worry. Till then this really is not anything.

Here is my issue, you can not ignore the fact that ccp has sense around 07 made profit, every year, except last year. And the only reason they did not make any last year was both the cutting of WoD and the cost to get Dust fully up and running. Thouse two factors alone ate into ccp's profits. So going 'omg they had a huge loss they are dying' is a bit silly, when they had an INCREASE in money by 10 million over the year before.


Well, in some corporate offices, spending 21 million dollars to develop a videogame 3 times in 7 years and end up releasing nothing and firing everyone who ever touched it would be deemed "mismanagment"...

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#339 - 2014-06-20 23:35:32 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:

Well, in some corporate offices, spending 21 million dollars to develop a videogame 3 times in 7 years and end up releasing nothing and firing everyone who ever touched it would be deemed "mismanagment"...


In the Casino industry it only takes $3 million.