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[Ship Line] Rogue Drone Faction ships

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2014-06-19 21:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
I've spent the last couple of days thinking about this; we have non-empire factions that use dual systems, and those who use single systems of weapons. We have:

Single-system:
  • Angel Cartel (Projectile)
  • Serpentis (Hybrid)
  • Sansha's Nation (Lasers)
  • Mordu's Legion (Missiles)

  • Dual-system:
  • Blood Raiders (Neut+Lasers)
  • Guristas (Drones+Missiles)
  • Sisters of EVE (Drones+Lasers)

  • But I've always been irked that there's never been any pure drone NE ships, and I decided to draft an idea for a line based on Rogue Drones, the infamous berserk insect-like A.I. They've never really gotten any real focus, but I think they could be used really well for a new idea.

    Basically, what I imagine is ships where we've subjugated the A.I. of the Rogue Drone and taken total control of the body (This is just a lore description- we'd build them from BPCs- how we'd get those, I'll think of later.).

    They'd be light-tanking ships with good mobility and insane DPS from the drones- and they wouldn't use skills in the same way that other NE factions do- but you'll see what I mean in a second. Here's a rough draft for one- the battleship:



    Hubris (Battleship)

    Gallente Drone Specialization Skill Bonus:
    20% bonus to Drone damage per level

    Minmatar Drone Specialization Skill Bonus:
    20% bonus to Drone MWD max velocity per level

    Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus:
    +15km to Drone control range per level

    Role Bonus:
    50% bonus to Drone tracking and optimal range

    Drones (bay / bandwidth):
    400m3 / 125mBit/sec

    Slot Layout:
    2H; 8M; 7L; 0 turrets, 0 launchers



    The ships would be focused on doing large DPS (around 15-1600 DPS with max skills) but would have fragile drones (note the lack of the HP bonus other drone ships have) and substantially weaker tanks than other drone ships. They'd have slim to no high slots and be mainly shield tanking. It would only be able to use one weapons system, so it'd be highly proficient with it.

    The three ships would use slightly different sets of skills- you saw the Hubris had Gallente/Minmatar Drone Specialization and Minmatar BS as skill requirements, but that's not all there is to it- each ship would require two spec skills and one class skill.



    Frigate:
    Amarr Drone Specialization I
    -> Drones V
    Gallente Drone Specialization I
    -> Drones V
    Gallente Frigate I
    -> Spaceship Command I



    Cruiser:
    Minmatar Drone Specialization I
    -> Drones V
    Caldari Drone Specialization I
    -> Drones V
    Caldari Cruiser I
    -> Spaceship Command II
    -> Caldari Destroyer III
    ->> Caldari Frigate III
    ->>> Spaceship Command I



    Hubris (Battleship):
    Gallente Drone Specialization I
    -> Drones V
    Minmatar Drone Specialization
    -> Drones V
    Minmatar Battleship I
    -> Spaceship Command IV
    -> Minmatar Battlecruiser III
    ->> Spaceship Command III
    ->> Minmatar Cruiser III
    ->>> Spaceship Command II
    ->>> Minmatar Destroyer III
    ->>>> Minmatar Frigate III
    ->>>>> Spaceship Command I



    Also, with the new design for the Dominix, I've been imagining a really amazing looking Rogue Drone BS- maybe I'll make a sketch of it or something Smile

    Tell me what you think- that's why it's called Features and Ideas Discussion.

    EDIT: Formatting
    Fer'isam K'ahn
    SAS Veterinarians
    #2 - 2014-06-19 21:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
    Don't pour salt in the wound, that's what my rattlesnake was supposed to be *sniff*.

    Not sure about the lore.. which means you would have to work for the drones to gain LP °° besides them being drops, which of course could push the drone regions, but still, why navigate a non human vessel.

    Drone boats hell yeah, visit one of mt 'Save the Rattlesnake' threads Blink

    Besides that, the stats are a bit off, only high slots, drone velocity might overshoot by a lot (unless you mean orbiting speed, which messes with tracking), not sure if the tracking and range bonus isn't too much .. or too little.

    Besides that, don't create a ship just because .. and there are more pirate factions that would make more sense then rogue drones.... which btw. isn't a faction at all.

    Not to mention that we have big drone boats .... Dominixes. And they are quite strong already, the pirate version would have to be stronger or at least stronger in its difference. And the values just scream sentries, which they wanted to see less off.
    Hakaari Inkuran
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #3 - 2014-06-19 21:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaari Inkuran
    So its going to have a caplesss weapon system with 4 bonuses to the weapons, a giant drone bay, and enough mid and low slots to have a lolwut gigantic dual tank or to give your heavy drones the tracking speed and velocity of frigates while still having a giant armor buffer and without sacrificing DPS.

    Oh and it still has 2 utility highs.
    Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #4 - 2014-06-19 21:51:12 UTC
    Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
    So its going to have a caplesss weapon system with 4 bonuses to the weapons, a giant drone bay, and enough mid and low slots to have a lolwut gigantic dual tank or to give your heavy drones the tracking speed and velocity of frigates while still having a giant armor buffer and without sacrificing DPS.

    Oh and it still has 2 utility highs.

    When you give a ship something like this, it's going to have extremely low powergrid and CPU to compensate for the lack of turrets, along with (likely) a lot less cap. In addition, I said it would have to be a lot weaker than other drone boats usually are, tank-wise. I don't want to make it some OP PWNBOAT.
    Hakaari Inkuran
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #5 - 2014-06-19 21:59:44 UTC
    Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
    Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
    So its going to have a caplesss weapon system with 4 bonuses to the weapons, a giant drone bay, and enough mid and low slots to have a lolwut gigantic dual tank or to give your heavy drones the tracking speed and velocity of frigates while still having a giant armor buffer and without sacrificing DPS.

    Oh and it still has 2 utility highs.

    When you give a ship something like this, it's going to have extremely low powergrid and CPU to compensate for the lack of turrets, along with (likely) a lot less cap. In addition, I said it would have to be a lot weaker than other drone boats usually are, tank-wise. I don't want to make it some OP PWNBOAT.


    Okay, fair enough, a really REALLY low powergrid and CPU, just enough for a bit of buffer, a prop mod, and one or two reppers, well that definitely is unique.

    Also it DID start to bug me that drones have to be supported by highslot modules, two different kinds of midslot modules, and lowslot damage modules. This would be a way to look at it.

    However it still seems to be the case that this ship might be too good at stomping cruisers and below. So what if the tank is weak when you're going to get perfect 900DPS hits or whatever on smaller ship classes all the time?
    Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #6 - 2014-06-19 22:04:14 UTC
    Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
    Don't pour salt in the wound, that's what my rattlesnake was supposed to be *sniff*.

    Not sure about the lore.. which means you would have to work for the drones to gain LP °° besides them being drops, which of course could push the drone regions, but still, why navigate a non human vessel.

    Drone boats hell yeah, visit one of mt 'Save the Rattlesnake' threads Blink

    Besides that, the stats are a bit off, only high slots, drone velocity might overshoot by a lot (unless you mean orbiting speed, which messes with tracking), not sure if the tracking and range bonus isn't too much .. or too little.

    Besides that, don't create a ship just because .. and there are more pirate factions that would make more sense then rogue drones.... which btw. isn't a faction at all.

    Not to mention that we have big drone boats .... Dominixes. And they are quite strong already, the pirate version would have to be stronger or at least stronger in its difference. And the values just scream sentries, which they wanted to see less off.

    Those are all good points... but let me contest a couple of them, if you please Pirate

    For obtaining them, I was playing with the idea of having, in addition to drops from sites, something along the line of collecting x number of a new 'Rogue Drone Frigate/Cruiser/Battleship Fragment', which would be able to drop from any non-mission rogue drones, and turning them in at either CONCORD or SoE LP stores for the ship (like for the SoE ships).

    The stats could definitely be adjusted to balance better- after all, this is a preliminary discussion, an idea.

    And I'm sad about the Rattlesnake too- but that isn't to say I don't absolutely love it as a ship still, especially with a gecko!
    Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #7 - 2014-06-19 22:06:19 UTC
    Hakaari Inkuran wrote:


    However it still seems to be the case that this ship might be too good at stomping cruisers and below. So what if the tank is weak when you're going to get perfect 900DPS hits or whatever on smaller ship classes all the time?

    That's also a really good point- and if this came to balance, I'd say the easiest way to fix that would be to have the bonus for damage on each hull apply to their own class- light, medium, or heavy/sentry, like the Guristas line does now.
    Corraidhin Farsaidh
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #8 - 2014-06-19 22:19:47 UTC
    Drone boats BPC's should come from reverse engineering Salvage in the same way that T3's are made. Why not make it a Rogue Drone T3?

    I proposed an idea for something similar a while back: A needle like hull with an engine cluster to the rear and light/medium/heavy docking ports (equivalent to low/medium/high slots. Then instead of fittings the ship has drones in those classes that perform armour tank, shield tank, rep, weapons etc. The twist comes in that the drones can be launched and assist any other boat but are less effective when running of internal power so higher dps when docked, lower dps when sent out and similar for all other functions. Other drones would be perm-docked at fitting in station such as damage control, eanm equivalents etc.

    Think of this matte black space needle crawling (literally in the artwork) with drones, every now and then they pounce off and do something or swarm around the central hull.

    ne thing too, the drones may well start trading with capsuleers, they need materials too...
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #9 - 2014-06-19 23:57:29 UTC
    People keep asking for Rogue Drone ships. CCP keeps saying it isn't going to happen. The most recent time, they even got all Rogue Drone Lore about it.

    I'm going to call this a redundant thread.
    Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #10 - 2014-06-20 00:10:42 UTC
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
    People keep asking for Rogue Drone ships. CCP keeps saying it isn't going to happen. The most recent time, they even got all Rogue Drone Lore about it.

    I'm going to call this a redundant thread.

    I didn't actually know this was a thing.. care to link the lore thing?
    Arya Regnar
    Darwins Right Hand
    #11 - 2014-06-20 00:44:29 UTC
    Overpowered, do not want.

    EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

    Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #12 - 2014-06-20 00:47:35 UTC
    Arya Regnar wrote:
    Overpowered, do not want.

    I'd rather you give an explanation as to where and why it'd be overpowered- this is a discussion.

    And I know it's a little much in places- that's the point- this is like a concept car- the final product likely wouldn't be quite as great as the original concept is.
    EVEtest Thefirst
    Umbrarum Paradisi
    #13 - 2014-06-20 03:01:25 UTC
    Even if these ships don't happen, I'd love to see a new model for the Rogue Drone BS based on this!