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Uhm, what? Research agents has nothing to do with researching ME/TE in your own POS; despite both having "research" in their activity name.

The special case is to deal with things like:

I make 10 Paladins, I require 9 Armageddons.

It's something which would skew the market more than desired.

Basic algorithm:

required = max(runs,ceiling(runs*base material requirement* ME modifiers from the blueprint and arrays and so on))

clear your cache data wia the options menu

This happens to be a huge change to Invention. Can you CCP Grayscale talk more about how these changes will affect the graph you put up in the first industry dev blog https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/building-better-worlds/ ?
Changing the Invention to use fewer total bpc, and encouraging the use of max run copy jobs or whatever point it will balance out to through use, seems to indicate that increasing the number of jobs interacted with on a daily basis is not a goal despite being the implication of the very first paragraph of your dev blog.

" You can see below that more than 50,000 characters use manufacturing and invention on a daily basis. Other industry activities, like research ME, PE, copying and reverse engineering only are a fraction of that number. That is the main reason why, for EVE's summer release, we are going to focus our efforts on industry as a whole."

With the higher levels of ME taking significantly longer then the lower levels, once the job is installed for them there will be no interaction, and with the loss of granularity it will be harder to justify researching things to level ten. or putting something in for a few levels when waiting for something else to complete. These bpos will sit fallow if there is any expectation that they will need to get used in the next month.
Net : Fewer ME jobs.

Similar to Material Efficiency, Time or PE will take a similar hit to jobs, as mid level PE will be deemed "optimal" because of the way that PE scales. Just as before the patch 1-3 was optimal on most blueprints, Three to five will in most cases be optimal PE levels after.
Net : Similar low numbers of PE jobs

With the changes to copying, long max run jobs (with smaller numbers of copies ) will be the norm as invention can take place running down the existing multi run bpc. More total invention jobs will occur, but fewer copy jobs will be necessary to maintain the same output. I expect that with the removal of slots, similar numbers of copy jobs will be started. because fewer will be necessary to support existing levels of invention, more invention will occur.
Tied to this is the Datacore changes introduced in the Factional warfare changes, With there no longer being a standings grind for research agents or a time sink for research points, There is virtually no limiting factor to invention as alt fw plexing is already a thing, and complained loudly about.
Net : Similar copy, More invention jobs

Reverse engineering Is a special beast, as the parts for it are not player made and / or the jobs themselves are dependent on the items being found to be invented. Reverse engineering cannot support the same type of expansion that other research jobs can, they simply aren't scalable the same way.
Net : these changes do nothing to change Reverse engineering job numbers. There will be more batching as reverse engineering labs are currently artificially restrictive, but since they are from found items the jobs will be batched more and less everyday occurrences then before. being able to run all available lab slits concurrently will mean that reverse engineering labs will be onlined for several hours one day and offline for the vast majority of the rest of the time.

None of the proposed changes decrease the complexity of Research as job costs change daily due to cost scalings with ME and PE being affected by timed team influence. Reduced granularity reduces competitive options for industrialists and gives established industrialists a significant boost over those just starting.
There are no fixes for handling large numbers of bpc,
there are no positive changes to pos or corp roles that reduce the vulnerability of assets being stolen with a significant reduction in security from the loss of remote bpo to pos research.
Moving materials has taken a hit from the freighter, JF fuel and compression changes.

The Industry window itself is less informative then it used to be, with fewer instantly visible indicators of material shortages (it says you are short through red lines, but not by how much until you hit the rollover which cannot be copied or made to stay while moving assets in other windows). It is not scalable and the giant pulsing sphincter cannot be collapsed or closed while taking more then half the window in noninformative graphics. The blueprint section of the window does not have enough screenspace as it is, because of the giant graphics associated with it, and does not have a left-right scroll bar despite having many things that will vanish off to the right of the panel. Prospective teams window cannot be open at the same time as currently active teams or blueprints, something which would be useful for planning jobs or finding out what is available to be built by the player. There is a five line scroll bar for six items. Blueprint locations are available only through another drop down scroll bar and not through a window or static list

So far nothing actually works correctly on SISi,

CCP Grayscale. What is going on? Each individual project seems that it could fix one of the industry issues, but taken all together they do more damage then the initial problem.

It should be that the max normal runs is 1 but decryptors can push it higher if necessary.



New blog(s) will be forthcoming once we're closer to release.



There are design reasons for doing it, but the code changes involved in changing that design decision a non-starter at this point even if we wanted to (which we don't) :)



The real nasty case is building 10 JFs from 9 freighters, basically means you can't competitively build JFs if you can't do them in batches of 10.

Alright, thanks for the reply. Wording in your post was kinda hinting at it, but I guess I'll have to adapt without.

i have a small request.

Can we get some of the facilities on SiSI bumped to max index, say the traditional trade hubs from TQ, or even just one random non seeded station in each region.

I have been doing some testing on SiSi, but it is hard to test the affect of the index with such a low population on SiSi.

For example i tried a 1000 run of fuel blocks. An overall production value of about 17,000,000 isk on TQ. At a facility with an empty index bar installation cost was under 2000 isk, but at a facility with the index bar at about 20% the install cost was over 4,000,000 isk.

Is that right? or is it bugged. I would like to see the impact of a full index, as I am sure we will see in Jita when this goes live on TQ.

So how about delay this impending disaster, fix corp management FIRST, then look at this industry mess?
Why is it so crucial to get the industry overhaul done before sorting out corp mechanics, which are critical to having these proposed industry changes function?

An actual question: is there a timeline on when the invention revamp is going to come? I was under the impression it was initially scheduled for Crius back when the initial industry changes were Kronos. Is it just vaugely scheduled for "SoonTM" or is it vaugely scheduled for the patch after Crius?

basically I want to know how much optimization and investment I should be doing for the Crius invention mechanics or if I should basically plan to muddle through and invest in doing the new mechanics right

Um...in your null sec nirvana, trust issues are not a big deal because of the structure of your groups of people, and the strict control of who will be allowed to handle your BPO's.

In the rest of the Eve universe, corp mechanics are a massive impediment with regard to these proposed changes.