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It depends — what is the break even point for the amount of jobs you have to push through against the additional fuel cost of the tower? It probably won't be enough of a benefit for smaller industrialists to go whole hog large tower for maximum installation cost reduction.

This is not about the null sec changes however the potential of the cost scaling for production in high sec. As well that BPO's now have to be placed at risk in high sec for production and researching. The additional costs depending on exactly how the scaling is determined will cut profit margins even more for those that use station services. So if you have a small scale industrialist in high sec producing in an area and the cost scale rises to the point where there is very little margin many of these smaller scale industrialists will be disadvantaged or have to uproot and move or invest significant amount of isk into a POS and go into large scale production.

Those that are already large scale utilizing a POS will have to buy significantly more modules to get the bonuses as well as place their BPOs at the POS furthering the risk of the production in the first place. To me it just seems CCP is adding more risk and more fuel to the fire for high sec gankers that specifically target industrial based corporations. While this should be the focus of low sec / null sec, empire space should not see the kinds of kills and all of that action (risk vs reward) should be in low sec and null sec.

I do not see (big picture wise) how this change is really enhancing low sec / null sec outside of alliance industrial needs to seed the market and war machine. I see more potential future constraints and risk for the high sec casual player. If Null Sec and Low Sec had the appropriate values to the proportionate risk and sov wasn't a complete cap ship grind I think things would balance out more and the battles would more appropriately be happening in low sec and null sec regions vs empire space. Take a look at the map in game for ships killed in the last 24 hours. Empire space looks like what null and low sec should look like. That is a game mechanic CCP has yet to resolve.

At what point is a POS supposed to be worth it?

I save 10% taxes, sure, but then I'm paying fuel costs instead. So if manufacturing costs are 10% of sell price (probably overestimating), I would need to produce 20bil/mo worth of goods at a small POS in order to make it worth it vs producing at an NPC station in the same system? That's a total of 27mil/hr...

Seems a little absurd, especially considering that manufacturing costs will probably (hopefully) be less than 10%.

Ah, yes, there is a small detail you are missing; with the crius expansion all jobs will have an install cost, in the form of an isk payment, whether it is installed at a pos, a station, or somewhere else. This is based on the base value of what you are producing (or I believe the bpo you are researching), and the all the cost multipliers are reductions are working off that cost. It's a fee to the 'team' that performs the job, instead of you working with a build slot. Teams are the new slots.

For the Thukker whatsit I assume you mean "Restricted to security level greater than or equal to 0.1" rather that just greater than? Same for "less than 0.4". Otherwise we can only anchor in 0.2 and 0.3 systems.

A large POS is currently cost-effective for one character, using all 10 manufacturing slots and no science slots, making T1 items with terrible, sub-par, profits. POS bonuses are already insanely strong. And they're getting stronger.

While I appreciate the risk/reward system of thinking, forcing industrial corporations to store their BPO's in the POS is high on the risk side and low on the return side. A POS isn't all that difficult to take down so why would anyone store their corporations assets in harms way?

This will turn contracts or market into a shopping list of items and corporations to POS bash just to see what falls out. If pushing industry corps out of the game, simply annex all of high sec, end any manufacturing or research and get it over with so we can all move on.

If i can use pos for insta compression whats gonna happen with rorquals? No point using them for compression.??

"motivation for using Rorquals in belts" could mean their boosts are made on-grid only.

No one is forcing anyone. Copy in station, build from copies in POS. Research in stations if the POS is too unsafe. vOv