Player Features and Ideas Discussion

with the advent of the removal of the bonus on invulnerability fields I feel as if it would be beneficial that rigs were affected by the compensation skills

EDIT my original post seemed to confuse people some,

a few years ago invulns and active hardeners used to still give resists while not cycling, ccp removed this, my idea is that resist rigs will be affected by the compensation skills so as to give people a trade off when fitting resist rigs and/or extender rigs as at the moment most people opt for triple trimark CDFE rigs over any other combination

What is going to be removed?

Why?

This is exactly how the armour resistance skills work.

Yeah but I think it's silly for both of them.

Do you want the modules to be nerfed? Because this is how you get them nerfed. CCP has stated that they don't want power creep. So if the skills get applied to active hardeners, then the hardeners will get nerfed to the point where Vs simply brings you back to where you were.

Are you sure you want to continue with this?

To be honest, shield skills are a mess. It is quite stupid that you don't need any V skills in the shield tree to get a perfect shield tank. The two modules linked to V skills are never used. (SBA II and XLSB II) Tactical Shield Manipulation actually makes your tank worse, and enables nothing at V, so training it to V means blowing a million SP on making your character worse.

Until Ancillary Shield Boosters get limited to one per hull, or the entire ancillary concept gets changed to something more reasonable, shields dont need anything remotely resembling a buff.

The change that took the passive resist off active hardeners hit armor tanks as well, but our only omni resist module at the time was passive, so we never got much benefit from that feature of active hardeners to begin with. In the case of the adaptive invulnerability field it was providing almost the benefit of an Eanm turned off, and a very nice bonus when on.

nope. as ppl have said. they really dnt need a buff.

Resistances do not have the same "stacking penalty" as other non-resist modules. The bonus applied is reduced by the resist amount before considering the new module. So when you add a new resist module or rig, reduce its effectiveness by the current resist amount.

Example: 25% plus 35% =/= 50% resist, nor is it reduced by the arbitrary exponentially decaying amount. It is 51.25%, or .25+.35*(1-.25).

Also, where does it say this change is coming? Because for god's sake enough on the shield hate, CCP. We're not just saddled with taking extra damage from everything just because shields, but now you're reducing our resists across the board?

And if we want to talk about resist mods and the balance between armor and shields, where are all my no-fitting resource required percentage-bonused mods? Where is my passive rainbow resist mod? EANM? Shields have no equivalent.

It is not correct, the first two, yes, but that's basic + one module, no stacking penalty applies yet.
I tried it with your formula on a t1 thermal armor resist, adding one module after the other including rigs, 0 skills. Added to the basic 35% +25% (still correct 51.5%, no penalty, one mod). Add a second +25% resist, your calc says 65%, reality says 61%. add another +35% rig and your calc says 77%, reality 71,5%.

So it does work like any other mod !

And too bad shields got no EANM, buhuhu, where is our invulnerability armor resist ?