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Null sec Data/Relic sites far less profitable in Kronos ?
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Dreadful Panda
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-06-07 12:38:32 UTC
After Kronos chnages to exploration sites I've noticed that prices for Relic sites loot like Capacitor Consoles did not go up for some reason and the loot amount is down by 80%. My question is what is your experience with relic sites - are the less proftable for you ? ANd the second question is why prices didnt go up after reducing amount of loot ?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-07 12:43:40 UTC
Prices may take some time to adjust.

Also, the net effect of no loot spew + less loot is hard to predict.

Maybe CCP had solid stats to work on? In that case, prices could remain stable, but above-average minican grabbers will make less money than before, while crappy minican grabbers will make more.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-06-07 12:45:54 UTC
they were going to hit it even harder than they did,thankfully enough people told them it would be excessive.

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Dreadful Panda
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-06-07 12:54:18 UTC
With loot spew chating the most valuable containers was like 80% times. Also hacking Ruins wasn't that hard with propper ship + Archaelogy V. For me total income was like 150kk - 200kk for like 2h. Guess no it is no more of nice income, for flying solo in hostile environment.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
#5 - 2014-06-07 13:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Did a half hour of hacking the other night, got 89 million in drops. Luck is a factor, but there's still isk to be made. Personally I'm better off as before I would go straight for the T2 loot can and blow the rest up, rather than go through the torturous spew 6 times. Now I'm doing all the borderline cans to get the tripped power circuits and interfaces etc. and blowing up only 1 or 2 in each site.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#6 - 2014-06-07 13:12:23 UTC
Relic site values are unlikely to change much as the salvage can still be got from salvaging ships and NPC's, the data site prices are more likely to change though eventually as supply is reduced with demand not going down
Dreadful Panda
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-06-07 13:51:43 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Did a half hour of hacking the other night, got 89 million in drops. Luck is a factor, but there's still isk to be made. Personally I'm better off as before I would go straight for the T2 loot can and blow the rest up, rather than go through the torturous spew 6 times. Now I'm doing all the borderline cans to get the tripped power circuits and interfaces etc. and blowing up only 1 or 2 in each site.


You've got the point. I was rushing relic ruins for best loot and blowing the rest. Now top tier containers are mostly empty in terms of value, now I'm also doing lesser tier containers.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-06-07 14:47:54 UTC
Also, people may do data/relic more often, now that the loot spew is gone.

I don't have any numbers, but as an example say you have 1,000 active d/r explorers (once a day), 1,000 casual explorers (once a week) and 1,000 ex-explorers that hated the loot spew.

Pre-Kronos, an average of 1,140 explorers per day.

If the casuals go from once to twice a week, and the ex- become once-a week-casuals, you'd have 1,430 explorers per day.

A +25% increase.


These figures are totally made up, but keep in mind that data/relic exploration has a very low entry barrier (ISK and SP). It's entirely possible we'll have several more explorers running around, especially in the first few weeks of Kronos.

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#9 - 2014-06-07 18:09:33 UTC
It's nothing like it used to be when rats were in the sites. Removing the rats has made it much more simple, making it so a lot more people are doing it.

And removing the loot spew, even though I love it's gone, is making it easier for people to get the juicy items, which in turn floods the market, driving the prices down. Lots of times I have come across sites where people just get the good stuff from scanning the containers and left the rest.

I did exploration for a couple days after Kronos, hoping it would be more profitable than it is now. Out of like 10 hours, managed like 50 million isk in goods, and that's even with 0.0 exploration thrown in. Stopped exploring again. Maybe more people will too if they find it bland, and prices will make it worthwhile to explore again.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
#10 - 2014-06-07 18:25:57 UTC
The best thing is to do exploration as a whole and supplement combat sites with hacking sites. With the mobile depot it's easy to refit analysers as and when needed.
Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-06-09 12:05:45 UTC
Ran a relic site in a C2 WH the other day with a couple of corpmates


Relic loot = 400k
Sleeper crap = less than 8 million.


Ran a combat site in a C1 with the same corp mates
21 mill in Sleeper crap.


Either the RNG fairy hated us, or the D/R sites are utter turd. I suppose it helped we got 5 melted nanoribbons on the Salv in the C1.

Admittedly I got over a million in loot in data sites in high sec after about 25 minutes.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-06-09 15:58:27 UTC
Elmonky wrote:
Ran a relic site in a C2 WH the other day with a couple of corpmates


Relic loot = 400k
Sleeper crap = less than 8 million.


Ran a combat site in a C1 with the same corp mates
21 mill in Sleeper crap.


Either the RNG fairy hated us, or the D/R sites are utter turd. I suppose it helped we got 5 melted nanoribbons on the Salv in the C1.

Admittedly I got over a million in loot in data sites in high sec after about 25 minutes.


I lived in a C2 for 9 months. Occasionally I would score 20mil from a Data site, but most of the time it was junk. Running the combat sites themselves in the c2 wasn't all that great either in terms of sleeper loot. We made better isk farming the C1 and we could do it in ships that were cheaper.

I used to wonder why CCP allowed the risk/reward to be so out of wack. But lately I'm beginning to believe that just like the real world, there are some opportunities worth persuing and some that aren't. Experimenting and learning which is which is part of the process and fun in Eve.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-06-09 16:19:34 UTC
My exploration drop rates have been considerably down since Kronos to the point where I've stopped bothering. It was supposed to be a 30% nerf, and it definitely went farther than that. I'm not sure even 30% was justified.
Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-06-09 21:56:00 UTC
I'm finding that I'm actually getting more in PI than I am exploring in null.

I used to be able to regularly bring in about 40m (50m on a good night) on one of my usual circuits, I'm now averaging 6-8m

It is strongly in the 'why bother' category for now.
Saraki Ishikela
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-06-10 02:19:24 UTC
I'm only averaging 3-6 million a site now in low sec. I do think the loot tables need to be looked at.

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#16 - 2014-06-10 04:38:30 UTC
A trip through null would normally give me about 50-100M on a regular trip, 30-40 on a bad trip and 100-200 on a good one.
Now the amounts have gone down considerably.

I guess being one of the people who know how to get each and every 'good' can isn't helping much.

Though since the spew is gone, doing data sites has now somewhat become worth it again, which is good I suppose.

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-06-10 08:15:47 UTC
TLDR

Relic sites are now even crappier than before (if that can be imagined LOL)
Data Sites are now crappier than before (removal of loot spew + a metric ****-ton of "explorers" searching for Contested sites = even less to hack with even less rewards)

See the universe they said, explore new frontiers they said, hack and loot they said, become an explorer they said - meanwhile anybody with a rookie ship and a scanner can do what you do (after spending a huge amount of time training all those scanning skills to V), only in 10% more time.
EVE prides itself with the fact that you can specialize in anything - what CCP doesn't realizes is that is actually a bad thing...

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-06-10 09:14:56 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:

See the universe they said, explore new frontiers they said, hack and loot they said, become an explorer they said - meanwhile anybody with a rookie ship and a scanner can do what you do (after spending a huge amount of time training all those scanning skills to V), only in 10% more time.
EVE prides itself with the fact that you can specialize in anything - what CCP doesn't realizes is that is actually a bad thing...

there is a better way:

let the others hack and explode them afterwardsCool

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Gerard Naari
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-06-10 12:57:08 UTC
Please more tears that you cant "print" billions in a frigate anymore.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#20 - 2014-06-10 13:00:02 UTC
According to the salvage pulled out of wrecks..

Im making more now out of others than before, so go figure

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