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Hey Dev,

this is page 54 regarding this issue. How many pages you have for the stupid Kronos patch? We think this issue is more important then Kronos - so stop wasting your time on Kronos and waste your time for turn on/off button

If any Dev is still reading this i would like to ask one simple question.

Why are you unwilling to code an off switch to this?

Page after page of players asking for this, you guys at ccp do know what players are right, they are your customers the people that give you money.

Now if it is to hard to code an off switch please just come out and state that.
If its not, think of how many happy customers you will make and is that not good for the company

Everyone is clearly simply complaining because new things are bad. Karkur knows this, shes even said as much. You'll get used to it eventually so there is no reason to budge at all on this particular issue. No doubt, when the new "solar" flares go live, there will be equal amounts of complaints about them as well. Because you all just hate "new" things. The new tooltip system is completely fine and doesn't impact gameplay at all! The vast majority of the new tooltips aren't, at best, redundant. The new bracket list isn't completely useless and doesn't make clicking in space completely pointless. In fact, we need MORE tooltips composed of four paragraphs of information to facilitate "non-textual" learning. The EVE UI must be designed so people who've never used a computer before can quickly process the information and easily understand exactly how to play the game. As accessibility simply trumps all other concerns, even the most basic logic.


Honestly, though, once the devs (or anyone, really) start getting defensive, there really is no point in pushing. They're just going to bunker down and wait for the sh!tstorm to pass. They'll rationalize all complaints as being from a vocal minority and simply filter out the most vocal of said minority. Once the issue has been forgotten, they'll declare the implementation a success and move on to add more useless and cumbersome effects to other aspects of the game that desperately do not need them. All for the sake of engaging the new player with worse than useless graphical flourishes.


Ya know, not to sound bitter or anything.

What astonishes me is that CCP decided to dump the old bracket selection (a feature obviously created with a lot of care and effort by someone with actual knowledge of the game) for the new box of death. A feature that probably had zero effort gone into design.

Why not iterate on the old bracket selection?

I am thinking the Devs that made these "tool tips" fall under one of these 3 choices.

1) dont play eve
2) played eve for about 1 hour before they applied to CCP
3) if they do play Eve, they dont undock
4) see 1,2 and 3

Obviously the people that play Eve are in this thread asking for an Off Switch, yet they are playing the "We know what we are doing and we dont care what the players think" card. Also its time to trash the CSM since they wont stand behind the players.

You forgot a couple of requirements for the job...

5) An elevated sense of importance
6) Unbounded arrogance thinking that they know better than everyone else.

The audio and visual customization options are fantastic, I sincerely wish this was extended to the UI.

So how's the looking into things going?

Dear CCP karkur, seriously? "..explain to me what your huge problem with the bracket list is.."? We have well over a thousand posts now; I did a rough cross-check: at least half of them explain it in a very specific way, and are including examples.

If you read any 5 random pages of this thread, you have all the answers - all facts and examples. And you will know "what else is so horrible" - it is not that it is new. I don`t assume that too many EVE players are Amish, and are against new things by definition, if you allow that joke.

My last attempt now to contribute, even if it feels a bit stupid, as it has been said litteraly many hundred times. And I will limit my feedback to PVP situations & the inspace tooltips/brackets, and just 2 examples, to keep it short:

> I have the choice to get the black box instantly: blocking my view, making it impossible to jump to a specific fleetmate in battle (and I want to do that, as a sniper, logie, or the "cavalry" for a damsel in distress) - because I would have to scroll through a long list of friends, foes, wrecks, concord, and what not. Especially ships tend to move in battle, which does not help either. And last not least, it`s bad not to see who approaches me (...yes, I am one of the persons who not only fly by "sort overview by distance and keep range", sorry for that. I like to see positions relative to me, and not just distances in the overview tab.).

> I have the choice to get the black box with a bit of a delay: If I have to bail to a cluster (stations, planets, custom offices), I have no choice to which object anymore - because if I have to bail out, I usually have no time to wait for the list and to scroll, but need to take the closest cluster I am roughly aligned to. I will land at whatever object in space is closest in that cluster of things, and everybody chasing me, will land right at me, because it`s the same for them (lost a Prophecy yesterday because I landed at a station, and 20+ ships (the whole enemy fleet) landed right with me, or even before me, on the very same spot. With a little bit of aggro timer left, that was it for me before I could have docked. But could have been a customs office or planet as well, with not even giving me the little chance to wait out my aggro timer and dock (...don`t care about the Proph loss, though, just an example). The other way round it feels like an exploit, since my chance of catching people warping to clusters is now greatly increased, as it´s very very likely I land on the same grid, no gamble anymore.

> No matter how I set the slider, it is significantly worse than it was before. One way or the other it hampers my gameplay, without giving any advantage at all. Not to mention immersion, which drops quite a bit by looking at scrollboxes with the style of an outdated Microsoft Office package.

Again, old question: what was wrong with the old inspace brackets? ....what else is so horrible except that it's old? - If I may tweak your question a bit, no offense

Jimmy, thanks a lot for the pictures!

They illustrate perfectly why this new blackbox-thingy does not make any sense at all, and is far worse than what we had before. It`s basically what I tried to explain in my previous post, but way more understandable, even for those Devs who do not play the game (...and meanwhile I assume that there are quite a few of them, sorry for being honest and open on this).