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Minamatar and caldari pirate combo

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varva Sasen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-03 19:18:03 UTC
Now before i run headfirst into a hail of bullets and laser fire from 500KM away predominantly coming from forum "l337s" i would like to preface this post with the fact that this is my first forum post and yes i know that this topic has been kicked to death almost as much as Nintendo have the Mario franchise but i just wanted to throw my own pebble into the ocean.

CCP have made a number of steps concerning the balance and general application of pirate ships in eve actually adding ships from the Sisters Of Eve faction as the long awaited Amarr and Gallente hybrid that players were starving for but despite the new pirate ships being introduced in kronos there is still one gap in the "grid" of factions that affects my future playstyle somewhat along with undoubtedly a number of other players and that is a combo of both the Minmatar and Caldari factions in a set of pirate ships.

In this post I'm not going to be presumptuous nor arrogant enough to say what these ships should be or should do it is. Particularly i want to Point this matter out to anyone actually looking to train both Minmatar vessels as well as Caldari .

Ultimately what i am asking is "CCP is this going to happen?" and if so" can we get a rough ETA please?"

Further contribution to this topic is appreciated.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#2 - 2014-06-03 19:22:15 UTC
The two races are already mixed.... Just take a look at the Typhoon and its variants.

Anyway, the amount of ships in the game can grow for a limited time and we are getting out of options. If there would be a need for introduction of new mixed race ships, you can bet that CCP will be considering any option left unexploited... that includes Caldari/Minmatar pirate hybrids.
varva Sasen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-03 19:32:16 UTC
You may wish to check your facts there mate no variation of the typhoon nor the typhoon itself actually connects both Minmatar and Caldari other than being missile centric which is also a feature of other minmatar ships and lets not forget that the Typhoon is an armour boat traditionaly.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#4 - 2014-06-03 19:37:06 UTC
varva Sasen wrote:

Ultimately what i am asking is "CCP is this going to happen?" and if so" can we get a rough ETA please?"


The answers will be "Possibly," and "No," respectively.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#5 - 2014-06-03 19:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
varva Sasen wrote:
You may wish to check your facts there mate no variation of the typhoon nor the typhoon itself actually connects both Minmatar and Caldari other than being missile centric which is also a feature of other minmatar ships and lets not forget that the Typhoon is an armour boat traditionaly.


Typhoon Fleet Issue:
Armor tank and projectile turrets from Minmatar side and missiles from Caldari side. It even has bonus for both missiles and projectile turrets. I'm not sure where I went wrong.Straight

It would help if you could share what a hybrid between Caldari and Minmatar should be like. Projectile with ECM (for example)?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#6 - 2014-06-03 19:41:37 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:

It would help if you could share what a hybrid between Caldari and Minmatar should be like.


A pirate hull that receives bonuses from both racial ship skills.

Are you really unaware that such things exist, or simply being deliberately obtuse?
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#7 - 2014-06-03 19:42:29 UTC
varva Sasen wrote:
You may wish to check your facts there mate no variation of the typhoon nor the typhoon itself actually connects both Minmatar and Caldari other than being missile centric which is also a feature of other minmatar ships and lets not forget that the Typhoon is an armour boat traditionaly.



In the lore Minmatar traded with the caldari for shield and missile technology with caldari hence all minmatar missile ships


That said yes a minmatar/caldari pirate faction would be cool.
varva Sasen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-03 19:46:47 UTC
The ship which you have mentioned is regardless still more efficiently run armour tanked and with good reason secondly the typhoon fleet issue is a navy ship not a pirate ship and doesn't fulfill the level of racial blending that ships such as the bhallgorn achieve with bonuses received from training both the Minmatar and Amarr battleship skills
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#9 - 2014-06-03 19:49:01 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:

It would help if you could share what a hybrid between Caldari and Minmatar should be like.


A pirate hull that receives bonuses from both racial ship skills.

Are you really unaware that such things exist, or simply being deliberately obtuse?

I'm well aware that ships with mixed racial skills exist Big smile My question after the sentence you quoted was what would those racial skill boost? They have to boost something from each race which is a defining characteristic of that race. That's why I asked for clarification about how should those mixed ships look like (bonuses wise).
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#10 - 2014-06-03 20:01:36 UTC
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2014-06-03 20:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Here be trolls op, you might be better served posting this in "features and ideas", you might be worse, kinda hard to tell as there's trolls there too.

Edit:Shocked....how the hell did I get here!
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#12 - 2014-06-04 03:05:36 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:

It would help if you could share what a hybrid between Caldari and Minmatar should be like.


A pirate hull that receives bonuses from both racial ship skills.

Are you really unaware that such things exist, or simply being deliberately obtuse?

I'm well aware that ships with mixed racial skills exist Big smile My question after the sentence you quoted was what would those racial skill boost? They have to boost something from each race which is a defining characteristic of that race. That's why I asked for clarification about how should those mixed ships look like (bonuses wise).


IMO:
Caldari
% bonus to missile velocity

Minmatar
-% bonus to explosion radius

Role:
Explosion radius attr increases the longer the missile is in flight


A missile boat with 'falloff'. Torps might even be an option with exp rad bonus
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#13 - 2014-06-04 03:13:13 UTC
Sure.

Now tell me which NPC faction is going to fly these ships. Every other set of pirate ships has a legitimate background, and the background came first.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2014-06-04 03:13:40 UTC
Barghest… (cough)

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Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-06-04 03:14:20 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
I'm well aware that ships with mixed racial skills exist Big smile My question after the sentence you quoted was what would those racial skill boost? They have to boost something from each race which is a defining characteristic of that race. That's why I asked for clarification about how should those mixed ships look like (bonuses wise).

A ship that combines the speed of a Vagabond with the EWar of a Falcon. Basically, the most annoying cruiser ever conceived.
Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#16 - 2014-06-04 04:22:23 UTC
I like the idea of a caldari- minmater ship indeed. I think of it as a cap independent line of spaceship awesomeness. To hell with e-war I would rather picture a projectile based combination of caldari shield resist bonus and minmater shield boost bonus per level and a 7.5%-10% rof bonus (similar to the Scyth fleet issue) with 5 light drones(cruiser). And have the agility and speed of minmatar ships. 5 highs, 4 turrets, 1 utility.

Conversely, it would be quite nice to see a t1 based missile armor boat hint hint. same deal more or less, but without the shield stuff. 4 launchers, 1 utility, 4 mid slots, 6 lows (like a stabber fleet issue). bonuses to missile rof, missile explosion radius. last but not least, the whole 200%+ boost to missile velocity and penalty to flight time thing as a role bonus. drone bandwidth of 40.
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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#17 - 2014-06-04 16:14:43 UTC
Man that would be bad ass
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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#18 - 2014-06-04 23:25:37 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Sure.

Now tell me which NPC faction is going to fly these ships. Every other set of pirate ships has a legitimate background, and the background came first.


A new unheard of small faction perhaps?

Could say something like when the matari were breaking free from the amarr a special resistance task force "borrowed" certain technology from the caldari or guristas rather (whos leaders had broken from the caldari state). They then melded that missile tech with amarr armor. Or, for the projectile shield combo you could have matari's own projectile dev melding with shield for strong agile brawlers. This could be used to explain why the minmatar are all about utility in their design, not settling for either tanking style in their ship lineup. After the minmatar got their freedom so to say, this unit faded into history and was set aside as the minmatar develop their own professional military force. Faded, but not gone. They've returned with a reckoning under a new banner, still having a chip on their shoulder from being disavowed, they fight for no one, but themselves. Taking control of certain areas of of low-sec space and attacking everyone that encroaches on their territory. They have been labeled as pirates by the minmatar.
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Krios42
Krios42's Retirement Home
#19 - 2014-06-04 23:51:25 UTC
I like the idea of adding a Minmitar/Caldari pirate faction but I would much prefer CCP spent time developing new T1/T2 ships and hulls to fit new roles expanding and changing the meta game. In my 18 months playing, I haven't seen a single new T1/T2 non-pirate hull (excluding the prospect and special edition ships).

Expensive pirate ships do very little to change gameplay, as they are hardly ever seen in PVP.

Maybe T2 frigate logistics? A new BC class without the focus on leadership? A T3 battleship?

Before you post ragey replies that last one was a joke.

Just my 2c
Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#20 - 2014-06-05 04:08:56 UTC
Krios42 wrote:
I like the idea of adding a Minmitar/Caldari pirate faction but I would much prefer CCP spent time developing new T1/T2 ships and hulls to fit new roles expanding and changing the meta game. In my 18 months playing, I haven't seen a single new T1/T2 non-pirate hull (excluding the prospect and special edition ships).

Expensive pirate ships do very little to change gameplay, as they are hardly ever seen in PVP.

Maybe T2 frigate logistics? A new BC class without the focus on leadership? A T3 battleship?

Before you post ragey replies that last one was a joke.

Just my 2c


It would be nice to have more cruisers and destroyers (t2 included as well, imagine a t2 dessie capable of fitting no more than 1 or 2 gang links. for firg and dessie combat) as well.
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