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Bring me the head of a CFC titan pilot!

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#201 - 2014-06-01 13:51:57 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Can you honestly not see the gaping whole in your plan there?


Nope, he can't.

He also ignores the reality that most awoxes were pre planned infiltrations. So even if somehow a group did get together and awox a CFC titan, the fact of the matter is, they were going to do it with disposable alts and would have done it whether he was paying or not.

He doesn't understand why his bounty is irrelevant. Just like the entirety of the Crimewatch bounty system.

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#202 - 2014-06-01 14:10:52 UTC
This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!

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Dave stark
#203 - 2014-06-01 14:29:27 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!


another shining example of gevlon proving that he has no clue how things work.
Big Lynx
#204 - 2014-06-01 14:31:25 UTC
gevlon lost his credibility the day he started his blog.

After months and months of stumbling upon this guys articles, transitioning from utter disbelief to mild annoyance to finally being strangely drawn to them, and as I continue to read the utter bullwank he takes immense time to construct I can see only one obvious conclusion:

he needs help, feeling a bit sorry for that poor pubie.
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2014-06-01 14:40:37 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!


Dude, you seriously can't tell the baseline difference between srp and awoxing a titan? Wow, just wow...

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2014-06-01 14:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Voyager Arran
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!


Probably because our SRP offers are high enough to encourage the desired behavior!

And, you know, getting paid to PvP isn't the same thing as getting myself hellpurged from my coalition and having a scarlet letter sewn to my chest over just enough money to almost buy a super that I could then never use because no alliance with a capfleet would have me.
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#207 - 2014-06-01 15:04:52 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:

getting paid to PvP isn't the same thing as getting myself hellpurged from my coalition and having a scarlet letter sewn to my chest over just enough money to almost buy a super that I could then never use because no alliance with a capfleet would have me.

Anyone heard of the guy who pressed F1 on the primary? How about the ex-PL guy who awoxed the Revenant?

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#208 - 2014-06-01 15:24:40 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!
Once again, just because x = y doesn't mean z = q. Think about your bounty. It would be split at least 10 ways to even make killing a titan possible. Those 10 people would need to be in a corp where they hold a high enough position to extract the bounty once it's paid, and the whole corp would be purged and blacklisted from nearly every alliance in the game. All for a pretty low chance (titans aren't actually that easy to awox) at a pathetic sum of isk.

Comparing that to SRP is either a profoundly new level of misunderstanding or a deliberate attempt to move off point by someone that knows his idea is beyond stupid.

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.
L O L.
Yeah, because people want to be known as "the guy that awoxed a titan once". Nobody gives a crap, it's been done a fair few times, and I can;t remember the name of any of them. To top it off, they'd be known as the guy that awoxed a titan for pocket change from a guy that can't play EVE.

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!

Is this more of an insight into your mind more than anything else? Do you dream of one day being relevant even if just for a moment?
And lol, so someone can burn their entire identity for enough isk to buy a passable character, but only if they manage to awox the titan completely solo and have access to the corp wallet the bounty gets paid to.

Honestly Gevlon, I don;t think you have enough isk to realistically pay for a single titan awox. They aren't as simple as you seem to think they are, and there are far better ways of making considerably more than 20b for far far far less effort. If you are going to burn your whole identity, it's going to have to be enough to never need to care about isk again. Even burning a spy you'll need a couple of hundred b or a considerable strategic objective to make it worthwhile.

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Dave stark
#209 - 2014-06-01 15:36:32 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:

getting paid to PvP isn't the same thing as getting myself hellpurged from my coalition and having a scarlet letter sewn to my chest over just enough money to almost buy a super that I could then never use because no alliance with a capfleet would have me.

Anyone heard of the guy who pressed F1 on the primary? How about the ex-PL guy who awoxed the Revenant?

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!


no, he doesn't dream about being excluded from every exciting eve event because he wanted your 20bn isk, stop being ridiculous.
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2014-06-01 15:50:21 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:

getting paid to PvP isn't the same thing as getting myself hellpurged from my coalition and having a scarlet letter sewn to my chest over just enough money to almost buy a super that I could then never use because no alliance with a capfleet would have me.

Anyone heard of the guy who pressed F1 on the primary? How about the ex-PL guy who awoxed the Revenant?

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!


Honestly, how do you know what people think? You admitted yourself you don't understand people. Your blog and forum posts confirm this. Stop acting like you have any idea about the mindset of a player. History shows you have none. Nobody reasonable will burn his whole eve career for 2b max.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#211 - 2014-06-01 17:51:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!
Once again, just because x = y doesn't mean z = q. Think about your bounty. It would be split at least 10 ways to even make killing a titan possible. Those 10 people would need to be in a corp where they hold a high enough position to extract the bounty once it's paid, and the whole corp would be purged and blacklisted from nearly every alliance in the game. All for a pretty low chance (titans aren't actually that easy to awox) at a pathetic sum of isk.

Comparing that to SRP is either a profoundly new level of misunderstanding or a deliberate attempt to move off point by someone that knows his idea is beyond stupid.

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.
L O L.
Yeah, because people want to be known as "the guy that awoxed a titan once". Nobody gives a crap, it's been done a fair few times, and I can;t remember the name of any of them. To top it off, they'd be known as the guy that awoxed a titan for pocket change from a guy that can't play EVE.

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!

Is this more of an insight into your mind more than anything else? Do you dream of one day being relevant even if just for a moment?
And lol, so someone can burn their entire identity for enough isk to buy a passable character, but only if they manage to awox the titan completely solo and have access to the corp wallet the bounty gets paid to.

Honestly Gevlon, I don;t think you have enough isk to realistically pay for a single titan awox. They aren't as simple as you seem to think they are, and there are far better ways of making considerably more than 20b for far far far less effort. If you are going to burn your whole identity, it's going to have to be enough to never need to care about isk again. Even burning a spy you'll need a couple of hundred b or a considerable strategic objective to make it worthwhile.


Honestly, I don't think setting a standing bounty for Titan Awoxes is practical. The price to flip someone who would be in a position to do so beyond what any of our countless line-member level spies are already trying to is probably far more than the cost of a fitted Titan, at which point we'd obviously just game the bounty to collect the cash.

On a more fundamental level though, Gevlon doesn't understand that there are somethings that can't be bought for any amount of money, compounded by the fact that the things that do cost lots of money in this game are basically useless by yourself.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#212 - 2014-06-01 18:58:51 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
No one is going to sell out the chance to be with their space friends for virtual money. You think they would, because you seem to value in-game currency above literally everything else in your life. No one else is this broken, which is why your ideas fall flat.

You know that there were blue-kills in the history of EVE, right?

Yes daily. In fact, I pointed this out to you as a reason your idea is ridiculous on the face of it - line member spies are hilariously common, so titan/supercap movement isn't privy to them. They won't ever be in a position to "tackle titan, call for help". If they were, they would be burning spies/alts to kill our titans already. We lose ratting carriers and even Ishtars to Awoxers and spies, do you think the thing stopping them for going for a titan is "but no one is offering to pay me" - really? REALLY?
And then here
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Anyone heard of the guy who pressed F1 on the primary? How about the ex-PL guy who awoxed the Revenant?

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

You confirm that you're not completely naive, and that yes, killing a titan is it's own reward. Why then pretend that anyone in the position to do so, isn't?
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So we can say without doubt that several people abandoned their space-friends for virtual money or even less

The number of notable people who flip sides for cash is actually very low (I actually can't think of an example, but I suspect there are some); most flip sides to replace their space-friends with other space friends. See: Haargoth Agamar.

You also don't seem, even after being told over and over, to even realise what you're asking. You're asking a supercap FC (of which we have, what, 3?) to flip sides from CFC to no-one for an amount of money that is a joke. Also, at that point, killing a single titan isn't worth it. "Oh, so yeah I quit being the major supercapital FC of the largest coalition for pocket change and a single titan kill, good trade IMO".

To use your silly analogy, you're asking someone to break up with their supermodel wife for $2

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#213 - 2014-06-01 19:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
I have to say though, that in the history of Eve online, I don't think anyone has spent as much ISK as you to try to claim credit for someone else doing what they were doing anyway.
It's a unique, if not completely transparent, way of trying to pretend to be relevant.

e: the irony in this plan, is that you're actually so disliked and disrespected in the Eve community, that even for a free pay-day for doing what you were already doing, I don't think 20bil is enough for someone to associate themselves with you and do your little local spam thing. Much like how Tora had enough of you and told you where to go, even though you were paying for most of his organizations costs for him.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Gin Alley
#214 - 2014-06-01 19:42:22 UTC
Titans dying havent been a big deal since 2009. PL kills a titan just about every day.

Gevlon Goblin- 100% real talk. Its time to admit there is nothing you or any individual can do to affect the CFC.

You are like an ant jumping up and down hoping an elephant notices you.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#215 - 2014-06-02 02:25:39 UTC
Well Horton did hear the who eventually. Though there was a global whovian effort to do so.
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#216 - 2014-06-02 04:14:06 UTC
Gin Alley wrote:
Gevlon Goblin- 100% real talk. Its time to admit there is nothing you or any individual can do to affect the CFC.

This is what they want people to think. They survive only because they could make the others believe that to fight, you need friends. So those who could fight joined some group lead by some completely incompetent nerd (like "falcon-mate" Vince) instead of ... fighting. This is ending now. Goons are already officially having to fight Mordus and Triumvirate who just "irrelevant NPC trash". They are dying in highsec like moths in the light-trap.

Soon people will realize that a solo PvP-er or a rich guy can do much more than an F1 pusher line member under some nerd. And then, CFC will be history like BoB is.

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2014-06-02 04:42:29 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Gin Alley wrote:
Gevlon Goblin- 100% real talk. Its time to admit there is nothing you or any individual can do to affect the CFC.

This is what they want people to think. They survive only because they could make the others believe that to fight, you need friends. So those who could fight joined some group lead by some completely incompetent nerd (like "falcon-mate" Vince) instead of ... fighting. This is ending now. Goons are already officially having to fight Mordus and Triumvirate who just "irrelevant NPC trash". They are dying in highsec like moths in the light-trap.

Soon people will realize that a solo PvP-er or a rich guy can do much more than an F1 pusher line member under some nerd. And then, CFC will be history like BoB is.


Sorry to spoil your mood, but that is what people think and your bad ideas, that reek of desperation, enforce this belief. Literally all your projects so far failed and your bad propaganda and goal shifting make it all look just pitiful. It's hard to find you have any impact on null.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#218 - 2014-06-02 06:50:20 UTC
Nobody cares about stuff dying in highsec.

Nobody really cares about killing off 'the GOON'.



Goons obviously, really give a **** about Gevlon Goblin though- or there wouldn't be 11 pages of literally the dumbest mongoloid responses this sub-forum has ever seen. If you don't care so much, shut up- he'll go away.
Dave stark
#219 - 2014-06-02 07:09:58 UTC
Xolve wrote:
If you don't care so much, shut up- he'll go away.


we don't want him to go away though, his delusions are a great source of entertainment.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#220 - 2014-06-02 09:01:27 UTC
Guys, GUYS!

I saw a RIFTER trying to bump a TITAN out of the SHIELDS! It has begun!