Crime & Punishment

He's been grrrGOONS so long I don't actually think he knows where it all began and what's real behind his own propaganda. In a way the Gevlons and Dinsdales of Eve are GSF's biggest achievement. Here are people who feel so inadequate that someone has beaten them at a videogame, that their minds have broken in real life to the point where they spend the overwhelming majority of their free time trying to make up reasons, to an audience of complete strangers, why they're better really and please believe me please.

My favourite claim of all of Gevlon's is going back a while, but when told his station-trading was pretty small-fry when you compare it to mass market manipulation, he turned around and claimed OTEC didn't exist.
This just barely beats him claiming the opposition to his "tackle titan" or mining titan fleet ideas, were just because people were jealous.

I remember when Gevlon "goalposts" Goblin once claimed his aim was to own 100% of nullsec. Now he's what - paying for highsec wardecs (that were highly common anyway) and offering to give people money to kill a titan (which in all logical scenarios, was dead either way)?
Yeah that's a pretty big step-down in your dreams, I can see why he's so mad all the time.

Or maybe (and to my embarassment, this took like 5 minutes of my life to turn up, urgh) you can hear him say that the reason 'The Goons' are powerful is because there's a strong cultural emphasis, something he has now decided is "evil"


Recognised as valuable? Doesn't fit in with his "lol frigate" nonsense does it?

Gevlon has now shifted his own goalposts so much, that he is using the exact-same information and arguing one needs to infer the exact opposite as before. Or, to use the metaphor, he's now claiming own-goals are still goals.

So you hate us because we are, in your view, an ideal ancap society?

that or it is more a case where we are actually facing Stephen Colbert. His character has taken on life of its own and has dictated how he "must" behave.

That is the only way I can reconcile his obvious intelligence vs being so blatantly obtuse when it comes to addressing resonces and criticism.

Long live the gobin report.

New drinking game: every time he posts "bombless bombers," do a shot or take a drink of beer.

Actually, in a game, having fun with friends is a success, at least for the majority of people. Let's take a counter example. You have no friends and you spend all your time grinding numbers. Yet either your projects failed, or you shifted goals so many times, it's hard to say what you consider a success now. So if it's that or enjoying ones time with friends, the only logical thing to do is just hang out.

Yes, there are a few Goons in ops, no doubt. But my killboard analysis says found that an average Goonwaffe member has 40% of the kills of an average RAZOR or average house slave (GSF member non-Goonwaffe). Do you claim the data is incorrect? Then do your own analysis with published raw data like I did.

"Handing over all your stuff" is stupid, but very common in nullsec. Practically everyone in nullsec demands full API key, and once you are there, you stuff is at their mercy, they can lock you out of their stations or awox you at will. So blaming the victims for trusting blindly in the recruiter in a world where everyone has to blindly trust in the recruiter is a bit odd. That being said, I wouldn't do either, hence I didn't apply to N3 for example.

No, I claim the data is incomplete. Just like was claimed several hundred times before. You don't take into account support functions, and your data is based off kills over total corp size, which doesn't account for how many in-corp alts they have. You also failed to split out kills to operational levels, so since some CFC alliances are more PVP oriented than others, they will tend to roam outside of coalition level ops. And I don't need to pull killboard data, I go to the ops, so I tend to use my eyes to tell me what I need to know.

Your problem is that you don't want to know facts, you already came up with a conclusion, and you will twist and misinterpret data until you get it to fit your preformed conclusion. The thing is, anyone with two braincells to rub together can see how utterly flawed your analysis is.

Uhh no, it's not. I've been in quite a few nulllsec alliances, and I've not once handed over all my stuff. Why? Because I'm not dumb enough to get scammed. Sure, you can end up with stuff locked in a station, but that's a completely different matter, sicne you put it there yourself and it's still your stuff. At no point ever should you need to hand over all your stuff to join a null group and you certainly won't need a "security deposit". So yes, I blame the victims because they are exceptionally stupid.

In a way, Gevlon reminds me of some people you come across in the corporate world. They have a copy of excel and a pile of numbers in front of them, and when they have a point to prove or they need to justify something they will furiously throw together a pile of graphs and numbers that seemed to support what they need to say and have at it.

Except most of the time they don't know what they are doing and barely understand the information they are dealing with. It's like claiming success for a marketing campaign without de-trending your data. Or reporting higher enquiry numbers without separating customer service from lead activity. It's looking for favourable numbers without actually understanding what they might actually mean.

Kind of like Gevlon and funding wardecs or putting bounties on titans. As many others have pointed out, this activity would have happened anyway, with all the costs associated with the activity. Apparently this doesn't matter, so instead he'll just claim isk effeciency against his own investments, ignoring the other costs or the question of if his involvement changed anything, and call it a victory.

Frankly this is very very silly.

Lets take the titan bounty as an example. Killing a titan for the cost of only 20b is dirt cheap when you only look at it as a bounty v value of kill thing. But he's ignoring a number of points:

1. Those who would or could kill a CFC titan would have done so anyway.
2. 20b is not enough to motivate those would not kill a titan to do so (see the social and potential economic costs of going from 'not a threat to CFC titans').
3. A bounty for after the fact (at that price too) will make those who would like to kill a CFC titan a threat now.

So in reality the bounty is another input to put against the cost of the titan killings already happening without increasing the pool of people who are now going to kill titans. Pretty much the same effect of funding those wardecs.

A better measure of success would be to see if CFC titans are dying at a greater rate than before, But it's a rare event in the first place so you won't be able to see it as clearly as you can with hulkaggeddon, and somehow I suspect Gevlon wouldn't be up for this analysis. So much easier to make up some metrics without letting reality or a real metric for success get in the way.

Literally mad that people like spending time with other people.

I'm in Goonwaffe and I spent some time in "bombless bombers" during fountain, as did countless others. We did it because although the gameplay value was weak, we were talking **** on comms and having a fun time socialising. And, when a lone cynabal turns up and kills half our fleet, we didn't go "oh no bombless bombers waaaa" - we had a lot of fun laughing at the people hitting approach and dying as fast as the guy could cycle his guns. I know, people right? Don't work how they do in your head.

I know you literally have no idea what I am talking about, and saying "fun" and "socialising" are alien concepts, but that's the truth of it. You will never be able to understand what makes an organisation of 1000s of people who value social interaction work, so I have no idea why you keep trying.
Take this idea for example - you just don't understand why 20bil won't buy out someone in a position to set up a guaranteed titan kill. You can't process it. It's laughable on the face of it to everyone who understands how people work, but you're left scratching your head and wondering why all your posts get to 10's of pages of people telling you it's a terrible idea, with absolutely no one, not even an NPC alt, agreeing with you.

No one is going to sell out the chance to be with their space friends for virtual money. You think they would, because you seem to value in-game currency above literally everything else in your life. No one else is this broken, which is why your ideas fall flat.

Indeed, and if those people were going to awox, they would awox. They most certainly aren't going to gather together in a group of 10+ to try to awox a titan for a possible cut of 20b, if they own the corp of the final hitter. All so their entire group can be ejected from the CFC and likely become unrecruitable by any serious alliance since they've shown that for pocket change they will sell out.

Once again you say x = y therefore z must equal q. You are effectively saying "people have awoxed before, therefore if I offer a peasant sum of isk for a task that is nearly impossible which will get paid practically at random to a single corp account they will awox a titan". Can you honestly not see the gaping whole in your plan there?