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T2 Destroyer Idea
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Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-09-10 15:33:12 UTC
I posted this a while ago in the old forums (like 2 years maybe?)

Anyhow here's the idea

T2 destroyers that act as sub-command ships in that they have bonuses toward the electronic support modules. For example, a tracking link bonus, remote SeBo bonus, remote ECCM mods etc etc. The goal would be that these destroyers are immune to all types of electronic warfare, and also cannot be remote repaired. In fleets this would give a distinct advantage to, or perhaps more resilient against certain opposing forces.

If I have any kind of recon on the opposing gang, and I see that they are ECM heavy, then I can pack a few T2 Destroyers in the fleet and have them remote ECCM my dps or logistics or whatever.

I also suggested an area of effect system for this, where a third and fourth script is introduced for the above listed modules so that the ship could act like a command ship (in that it gives bonuses to a group) without taking over the command ship role. The scripts would simply turn the effect of the remote *fill in the blank* module from working on a single ship to affecting all ships in a radius (somewhere up to 30 km?), but with less effect.

Anyway, that's the idea.

Cedric
tankus2
HeartVenom Inc.
#2 - 2011-09-10 21:14:55 UTC
Going off of another thread of mine, making a ship ewar immune makes the vessel a non-target to ewar ships due to this immunity.

If anything, making the little guy ewar resistant by having a very large sensor strength would give them an advantage against 1-2 ewar ships, but still leave them valid targets for large numbers.

of course, you can't have a destroyer-class vessel that can still shoot down frigates with appalling ease and make ewar less effective against his/her teammates at the same time, at least not without people bitching about balance. Such a vessel would be primary before logistics by virtue of being logistics-immune and an easy target, thus serving only to beef up the attacker's killboards.

Anywho, give the little guy a large sensor strength but little in the way of firepower (and no 'lol bonus aoe'), and you may have a competent little bugger.

The next question, of course, is what to do with the other line of battlecruisers (drake, hurricane, etc) so as to balance a second t2 destroyer? Let's leave that for another thread ;)

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Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-09-10 21:19:03 UTC
Uhm.. we already have T2 destroyers? They're called Interdictors.

And giving ANY ship ewar immunity is a horrible idea.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-09-10 21:23:18 UTC
Fix T1 destroyers first before introducing new ones
tankus2
HeartVenom Inc.
#5 - 2011-09-10 22:21:08 UTC
Feligast wrote:
Uhm.. we already have T2 destroyers? They're called Interdictors.

And giving ANY ship ewar immunity is a horrible idea.


I do certainly agree with the ewar immunity statement, just to start things. The concept here, apparently, is to kick off a second type of t2 destroyer that is essentially an ECCM boat, tailored as an opposite of the Recon cruisers that currently exist, in conjunction with keeping our ever-loved Interdictors.


Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Fix T1 destroyers first before introducing new ones



t1 destroyers do need a revamp before an ECCM or 'super t1' (for those of you who read the subforum's history) t2 destroyer rolls out.

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Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-09-11 01:14:59 UTC
how about a T2 assault destroyer that is a souped up T1 version thats designed to kill frigs better than the T1 version?
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#7 - 2011-09-11 02:35:50 UTC
Barbie D0ll wrote:
how about a T2 assault destroyer that is a souped up T1 version thats designed to kill frigs better than the T1 version?


This would obsolete assault frigates more then they already are as well as most T1 cruisers. You will never see a T2 assault destroyer.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-09-11 22:14:01 UTC
Not sure why all the hate about ewar immunity. I suppose if they were at all powerful on the offensive side of things, then you'd want to be able to ewar them. However, my design idea does not include any extra ability to deliver DPS than the T1 variant. Instead, these little ships are fast, agile and create a small sig radius. They make the perfect target for an opposing team's small ships and tacklers rather than every single ship in the opposing fleet. With the extra computer processors and what not (this might just be RP reasoning here..oh well) the ship should have a significant edge against ewar, so much so that they can't be tracking disrupted, remote sensor dampened, ECM'd or target painted.

They give an edge to the fleet they are in, and create the necessity for a strategic decision by the opposing fleet as to whether or not they should be attacked.

Keep discussing though!

I'm not above giving this role to the 'Tier 2' battlecruisers as a T2 variant...but I always like small ships better than bigger ships to be a strategic advantage.

Ced

Cedric
Justin Cody
War Firm
#9 - 2011-09-12 03:04:15 UTC
just give them some kind of anti-cloaking pulse and I'll be happy.
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
#10 - 2011-09-12 10:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nezumiiro Noneko
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Barbie D0ll wrote:
how about a T2 assault destroyer that is a souped up T1 version thats designed to kill frigs better than the T1 version?


This would obsolete assault frigates more then they already are as well as most T1 cruisers. You will never see a T2 assault destroyer.



This basically. CCP provided an AF that outside of those that like them...was left pretty much to rot. CCP is not going to bring out another asaualt anything.



Well that and out of 2 assualt classes, only one is done, hac. Years later, ccp cannot work out balance issues fo give AF that missing bonus. Last best effort made was sisi testing for dominion...where as the older players know...it died. Didn't even get the soon (tm) after that :( . Since dessies are closer to frigates.....if ccp can't get a complete balanced jag/wolf on the server, lets be honest, t2 non dictor trashers chance slim to none really..

Hell even going way back some more, hacs were only balanced after nano-nerf iirc. MIssed that fun but some googling digs up old fits, some with eft numbers. WTF eft numbers by todays standards.

In short....assault has been a pita for ccp devs for years, they won't add yet another headache lo the pile.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-12 10:18:34 UTC
I like the idea of dedicated remote-boosting ships as a role. That'd be a cool thing for newbies to do in a fleet instead of flying T1 frigs or shitfit cruisers and dying within seconds of engagement trying to land a point on whatever. Stick with the "big brothers" instead and make things better for those with "skills" and so on but I digress...

Immunity to ewar and that "can't be repped" thing? No, thanks you.

I won't sweat over balancing details. Everybody has his own idea of what's cool and what isn't.

It knows what you think.